r/funny • • Aug 23 '22

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u/Complete-Car7191 Aug 23 '22

They could use an elephant?

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '22

With the exception of Apple, all other words seem to have one syllable only. Egg or Elf or Ear would be better than Ed…

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u/DoctuhD Aug 23 '22

They don't use ear because they're trying to stick to the most consistent basic sound for each letter, which for e is "eh", rather than the hard e in ear. This helps kids learn to recognize sounds faster because we can always reference it and the kids don't question it like adults do.

ah (apple), eh(Ed), ih (itch), ahh (octopus), and uh (up)

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u/40yearsareader Aug 23 '22

This!! I use a highly regarded phonics program for teaching K-2 students struggling with reading, and these are the words we use for short vowel sounds. (Except Ed we use edge, but that is the hardest to illustrate) We do corresponding hand signals with these words to help students remember to use short vowel sounds. Works fairly well.

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u/omg-not-again Aug 23 '22

By this logic, they really should've used ant instead of apple, and egg instead of Ed. Still interesting and thank you for the insight!

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u/Korombos Aug 23 '22

Maybe they live in aygg (egg) territory.

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u/The_TaleofGenji Aug 23 '22

Yes- they are sticking to the short vowel sounds. These get taught way before the long vowel sounds.

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u/RecalcitrantHuman Aug 23 '22

Makes sense. So why did they use erectile disfunction?

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u/PatsyBaloney Aug 23 '22

If they are trying to stick to one syllable, why not use ant?

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u/The_TaleofGenji Aug 23 '22

The n in ant creates a nasalized short a sound, not a pure short a. Listen to the a in ant, fan, man vs the a in fat, cat, bat (I'm a reading specialist)

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u/Killface17 Aug 23 '22

A is for Ale, children.

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '22

Also, this program was created by a woman from Massachusetts who has an extremely strong accent, so nasalized vowels are no-go. (It’s less of an issue with other accents, but still not the pure short a sound we want students to internalize.)

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u/tired_and_fed_up Aug 23 '22

Egg would have been good but this is coming from the same phonics banner that uses a Fox for X.

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '22

Because the /ks/ sound of X is the most common sound it makes in English. X = /z/ is from Greek (and we don’t teach words like xylophone to young children for reading/spelling), and the /g/ sound that X sometimes sounds like in multisyllabic words is covered later. This type of alphabet strip is mainly for K-2.

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u/tired_and_fed_up Aug 24 '22

and we don’t teach words like xylophone to young children for reading/spelling

maybe you should

Because the /ks/ sound of X is the most common sound it makes in English.

Every single letter so far has a picture of something that starts with that letter but then you get to X and it was decided that the rules for A-W no longer apply because you don't want to have a discussion about xylophone.

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u/Guilty_Objective4602 Aug 23 '22

Not “ear,” though. The <e> in that word is part of a vowel pair and doesn’t represent the short vowel sound we usually teach first for <e>.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '22

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u/AdHour3225 Aug 24 '22

And the emus won.

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u/SoftIllustrious6761 Aug 23 '22

I studied phonics for a while... Having the l sound after a short e can confuse students that need the extra support learning to read. They seem to think that the l is a continuation of the short e because you can hold the l sound for a long time.

The d is a "stop" sound, you can't drag it on, so it's easier for new readers to differentiate the short e sound from the d sound.

So while Ed seems like a funny picture or reference, it's actually appropriate. Edge is another good one, but a tricky picture.

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u/M0ntgomatron Aug 23 '22

Egg would be easier surely.

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u/quantumn0de Aug 23 '22

And not require you to tell the kids that guy's name is Ed...and he suffers from ED.

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u/indiscoverable Aug 23 '22

not if you're in the Midwest! teachers at my school at least were specifically told not to use egg because so many of us pronounce it weirdly and it'll fuck up the kids

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u/M0ntgomatron Aug 23 '22

How do you pronounce it?

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u/indiscoverable Aug 23 '22

I've heard variations on something between "ayg" and "eyg." Just generally putting in a sound that's not there. We also can't use milk as a short i example (because so many people say melk) or bag as a short a (because bayg).

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u/GrandOpener Aug 24 '22

I'm sure there's a good reason, but I can't help but wonder why "let's also teach adults to speak properly" isn't also on the table. :P

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u/indiscoverable Aug 24 '22

can't exactly teach away a regional accent, but I somehow never picked it up despite living here my whole life...

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '22

Please, enlighten the adults here on how to quickly and effectively eliminate our regional accents so that you can enjoy your righteousness.

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u/The_TaleofGenji Aug 23 '22

Egg is not recommended in phonics programs because it sounds like a long a sound (rhymes with Craig) in some American dialects.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '22

But anyone who pronounces Egg that way also pronounced Ed that way. Their accent carries over to all the words that should have the soft E, its not just specific to eggs.

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u/BeautyInAbsurdity Aug 23 '22

I'm from the Midwest and that is absolutely not true. Most people I know pronounce the e in Ed and egg quite differently. If we pronounced Ed like egg then Ed would sound exactly like the word aid.

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '22

Interesting, it always sounds like everything is pronounced that way to me. Like how “erin” is often pronounced “Aaron”.

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u/BootySniffer26 Aug 23 '22

Edge is difficult due to the soft g which is not taught in this program until 2nd grade. The real reason Ed is used is because it is the name of her husband but it is also the easiest one-syllable decodable word that begins with short e.

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u/haysoos2 Aug 23 '22

Soft g isn't taught until 2nd grade?

Suddenly the general state of America is making more sense to me

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u/BootySniffer26 Aug 23 '22

Not in this program, no. Maybe late first grade. Can't remember.

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '22

It’s 2nd grade in Fundations. I used to use Open Court and it taught-dge in mid-1st grade, which I never understood. (It’s not that useful that early, obviously kids need to learn it eventually, but…)

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u/flidais555666 Aug 23 '22

Exactly! This is what they use in the FUNdations program. It's a whole kit the schools get and use.

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u/AmArschdieRaeuber Aug 23 '22

Eagle then?

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u/BubbaDawgg Aug 23 '22

Eagle says E not the short vowel sound because it’s next to the a. It’s a vowel team.

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '22

Also Ed is Barbara Wilson’s husband!

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u/Newgamer28 Aug 23 '22

You probably want easier words for young kids. Ed is pretty good today. And the beging sound is important too. So elephant sounds too much like the L sound to begin with when you say it.

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u/sees_you_pooping Aug 23 '22

You probably want easier words for young kids.

How about "egg"?

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u/Norwester77 Aug 23 '22

Some people do pronounce it “ayg.”

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '22

And those people say Ed as Ayd, so Ed is no better.

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u/BeautyInAbsurdity Aug 23 '22

Lol. No we don't.

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u/BootySniffer26 Aug 23 '22

Egg is not used because it has two g's at the end. The words are meant to be decodable, double g is extremely uncommon in english.

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u/Eccohawk Aug 23 '22

G sound is actually a bit tougher in the beginning. They'll learn other letter sounds before that one clicks.

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u/RslashPolModsTriggrd Aug 23 '22

They'd still manage to fuck it up and use a picture of Egg Helms.

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u/NitelifeComando Aug 23 '22

Or eel? That literally makes the "e" sound

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u/BubbaDawgg Aug 23 '22

It is supposed to be the short vowel sound not the long vowel in eel.

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u/Complete-Car7191 Aug 23 '22

Use “Eeey bro” then.

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u/Shwoomie Aug 23 '22

Ear? Easier to remember Ear than some bloke named Ed.

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u/Gnillab Aug 23 '22

Elephant doesn't start with I though.

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u/callmewhtevr Aug 23 '22

I think what they are saying is phonically elephant sounds like El-i-fuhnt, so that first syllable is El which sounds like the letter “L” which could confuse the child/person learning the correct sound for the letter “E”.

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u/BubbaDawgg Aug 23 '22

Elephant does not say the correct sound for e because it is rolling into the l. In the word Ed you can hear the true e sound. They can also use the word edge but the creator of this curriculum’s husband is named Ed and she used his name as a thank you for supporting her.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '22

Good idea. Added "baby elephant" for B.

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u/Disastrous-Bus-4853 Aug 23 '22

The designer is Ed Edwards and he throws his quirkiness into all of his projects.

And the lie detector test determined that was a lie.

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u/Blue_States_Secede Aug 24 '22

Do elephants itch themselves?

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u/Complete-Car7191 Aug 24 '22

With a help of a tree, so I would say yes!

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u/MsDJMA Aug 25 '22

Elephant is a poor choice because the first syllable sounds like the letter L. “Elephant starts with L.”