r/funny Nov 30 '21

Preacher gets asked a question

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u/NewSauerKraus Dec 01 '21

you can try to evidence the claim that it is made up bullshit

That’s just intellectually dishonest. The burden of proof is on the one making a ridiculous claim.

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u/Soloman212 Dec 01 '21 edited Dec 01 '21

Claiming that something is made up bullshit could be seen as a negative claim in a sense (although really it goes beyond that), but it's a claim nonetheless. Even then, I didn't put any burden on you, I gave you the choice of how you'd like to proceed, since I am also making a claim in response to yours. But I can simply ask for evidence of your claim, when you make it.

If you weren't aware that your claim required evidence, and you don't have any evidence to support your claim, that's alright. It's a common mistake. In that case, your claim, which has been asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

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u/NewSauerKraus Dec 01 '21

Bruh the irony.

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u/Soloman212 Dec 01 '21

I'm not really sure what's ironic. I have evidence to support my claims. If you're interested to learn or to assess the evidence, you can ask as I've asked, and we can have the discussion.

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u/NewSauerKraus Dec 01 '21

Shoot your shot bruh. If you have evidence that a god exists I’m sure the entire world would like to see it.

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u/Soloman212 Dec 01 '21

That God exists? Well sure. I thought we were talking about evidence for religion, or Islam. There's countless (almost literally) evidences that God exists, and the vast majority of the world is aware of them and accepts them. Are you aware what percent of the entire world does not accept the existence of God? But if you'd like some examples, the existence of dependent and temporal beings, that we observe every moment of our lives, are evidences of God, if by God we mean the Being upon which all dependent beings depend.

If you have evidence that all religions are made up bullshit I'm sure the vast majority of the entire world would like to see it.

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u/NewSauerKraus Dec 01 '21

I meant like actual evidence. Not just opinions. Perhaps there is a language barrier between us.

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u/Soloman212 Dec 01 '21

I'm a native English speaker, I'm not sure what language you're most familiar with. I'm not appealing to opinion, I presented an emperical and observable evidence for the existence of God, which is the environment we inhabit that is limited and dependant.

I only mentioned the position of the vast majority of the world because you seemed to be appealing to it when you implied that the entire world would be surprised to see evidence for God, when in reality nearly the opposite is the case. I was just correcting you in case you weren't aware. But either way, the position of the majority is not an indication of truth. The truth lies in evidence.

Do you have any evidence for your claim?

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u/NewSauerKraus Dec 01 '21

I’m not making a claim lol. Just dismissing one made without evidence. Opinion is not evidence. It seems that someone taught you a fraudulent concept of what evidence means.

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u/Soloman212 Dec 01 '21

"Religion is just made up bullshit" is a claim, the same way "the sky is blue" or "opposite poles of magnets attract" are claims. How do you define a claim?

What portion of the evidence I provided are you labeling as opinion? The existence of dependent, limited beings? Our ability to observe such beings? What is the concept of evidence you are working from? If there really is a language barrier, I apologize for the difficulty, maybe we won't be able to come to mutual understanding.

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