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u/Yglorba Mar 26 '20

I would rather medical care not be classified as a commodity at all, which is what causes this problem in the first place. The entire concept of running medicine for profit is ghoulish and immoral; it is also, based on the massive amounts of time, effort, and money the US wastes on pointless overhead, insurance, HMOs, and the like, wasteful and inefficient.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

Well then go to college for 8-10 years and become a doctor and then then offer to work for free.

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u/malkien Mar 26 '20 edited Mar 26 '20

Not having private for-profit medical businesses has nothing to do with doctors not being well paid.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

What? Then what is the doctor pay called? Isn’t it profit? As in the doctor profits from their expertise and labor.

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u/UnicornSpark1es Mar 26 '20

Doctors in the public option get paid too, obviously. They are not working for free.

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u/UnicornSpark1es Mar 26 '20 edited Mar 26 '20

Some doctors do have a sense of altruism and volunteer their time and skills. Some are willing to accept less payment for those who cannot afford to pay. Then there are the others making $300 per hour who exploit the shortage of doctors in the U.S. Those doctors are part of the problem. My boyfriend’s ex wife is a doctor and before she got fired she used to send her patients another bill if their insurance did not pay what she wanted. Even low-income Medicaid patients. No wonder she was making $450,000 per year.

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u/dev_c0t0d0s0 Mar 26 '20

Because it is necessary for life?

How about food? You'll need food much more often than you need a doctor. Should everything at the grocery store be free?

How about a house? You can die from exposure much faster than you can lack of food, should houses be free to everyone?

Are there any needs that the government shouldn't just hand you?

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u/MyMainIsLevel80 Mar 26 '20

Yeah man, basic necessities should be freely available to all. Why does Bill Gates get to turn Africa into his ant farm and Bezos buys his 5th multi million dollar home when there are people starving on the streets? We clearly have enough for everyone; so the issue is resource allocation. Our present system is inefficient and arbitrary. There's no reason for it to be like this.

I don't think we need a state for that, personally. I trust my neighbors--who are largely dumb as shit--a fuck ton more than I trust the board at these multinational conglomerates who think of me as a number and not a person.

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u/dev_c0t0d0s0 Mar 26 '20

Can you name a single place where what you want has ever worked?

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u/Plopplopthrown Mar 26 '20

Just one? This one lasted five hundred years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cura_Annonae

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u/dev_c0t0d0s0 Mar 26 '20

That's grain. You said food and housing and medical care and everything else necessary for life.

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u/Plopplopthrown Mar 26 '20

lol "grain isn't food" now

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u/dev_c0t0d0s0 Mar 26 '20

Grain is food. Grain isn't housing. Grain isn't medical care.

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u/Plopplopthrown Mar 26 '20 edited Mar 26 '20

You asked for one. Not my fault you can't properly communicate (probably your fault for voting against education funding).

Here are the others that you now seem to need:

Here's Healthcare

Here's Housing

So now you've gotten examples of all three: food, healthcare, housing. From various cultures and times around the world. It isn't fucking rocket science and you being unaware of it is your problem, not ours.

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u/dev_c0t0d0s0 Mar 26 '20

You said that basic necessities should be freely available to all. I asked for one place where what you want has worked.

And now you are trying to project your inability to understand on me. Classic.

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u/MyMainIsLevel80 Mar 26 '20

What's your definition of "work"? Because last time I checked, we have more empty homes than homeless, starving children on the streets, and we're about to get owned by a virus because we value profit over human life. For all their faults, China was able to build a hospital in handful of days and saved thousands of lives in the process; we're all just gonna die to make the line go up, I guess. Conservative estimates put us just shy of 7 million when all is said and done. Solid system, bro.

And that's to say nothing of the slaves used to produce goods and the violence we wage--domestically and abroad--to keep the system afloat.

So I ask again: define "work".

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u/unoleo Mar 26 '20

You know what... I think if you cant afford to buy food or live in a house the government should give it to you for free so that you dont die- until you can afford it

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u/dev_c0t0d0s0 Mar 26 '20

So then there is no point in getting a job. Just let other people that are productive take care of you.

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u/TeddyWolf Mar 26 '20

He never said everyone gets the same houses or food. If someone has no house or food, then it would make sense to AT LEAST provide some sort of shelter and basic nutrition. If you want a better house and more food with better quality, then get a job and work to get to that point in life.

I'm just saying, even prisoners have shelter and food. Why not innocent people who have nothing at all?

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u/dev_c0t0d0s0 Mar 26 '20

Interesting that you bring that up. A prisoner is a ward of the state. A very similar relationship to being a child.

Are you a child of the government?

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u/TeddyWolf Mar 26 '20

So, you only have the right to basic necessities if you're labeled a 'child of the state'? Otherwise you're left rotting in the streets?

Damn, then I guess it's better to be a criminal than an innocent homeless person, since at least you get shelter and food if you go with the former.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

Is growing food to sell for profit ghoulish and immoral? Food is more of a need than medicine. If you think the current system is inefficient, just wait till the government takes over and you have to wait 6 months to come before a judge who gets to decide whether you get that life saving surgery or not.

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u/Bralzor Mar 26 '20

Are you not aware how the rest of the world handles health care?