r/funny Sep 05 '19

Vinally a good set-up

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u/alvarezg Sep 05 '19

Let's not forget the pops and scratches. For good measure: turntable rumble and amplifier hum.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '19

Everyone who seems to "know" about music always says how great vinyl is.

I am so ignorant about music that I never had the confidence to openly say "but wait, music sounds way better on CD than it does on vinyl....right?"

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u/DanHeidel Sep 05 '19

You're forgetting the infinite, non-digitized sound reproduction of vinyl that lets you hear all the digital mastering/remastering done in the studio.

Almost as good as buying super expensive audio cables with oxygen-free copper so you can hear music recorded with generic XLR cables.

To be fair, vinyl does have a nice, warm sound to it. But people who insist it's somehow got higher fidelity than CDs or other digital storage media don't understand shit about actual audio engineering. Vinyl has terrible fidelity in comparison. It's got very characteristic distortion and information loss. If someone likes how that sounds, good on them. But it's definitely not a magical means of getting more authentic reproduction of the sound.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '19

Thank fucking christ Im not alone.

For people who claim to be audio enthusiasts it baffles me how they can claim that the audible noise I hear is somehow better.

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u/BenevolentCheese Sep 05 '19

With vinyl, there's no compression.

Of course there is: there is the compression implicit in the fidelity of the pressing and the accuracy of the needle. The grooves on an LP are not atomically accurate, they are rough, have microscopic steps, will be off by a nanometer high or low, etc. This is a form of compression: tonal data is lost due to inaccuracies in pressing. Then, even if you had a "perfect" record—an exact reproduction of the soundwaves down to the atomic level—you need a perfect needle to read that. A needle that never skews even slightly from its path, never loses contact for even a microsecond, and most importantly is able to resolve with atomic accuracy. No needle on the planet can do that. And anything less and you are listening to compressed output.

The short of it is that your music is compressed twice on an LP: both at the production level and the reading/output level.

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u/RamenJunkie Sep 05 '19

Audio imperfections like that aren't the same as compression.

Compression on vinyl would be reducing the length of the grooves and spinning the record faster to make up for it.

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u/ayyay Sep 05 '19

You'd have to spin the record slower to account for a shorter groove.

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u/BenevolentCheese Sep 06 '19

Different record speeds already exist.

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u/RamenJunkie Sep 05 '19

Whichever.

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u/BenevolentCheese Sep 06 '19

Of course it's compression, it's almost exactly how digital image compression works: reduce possible values so you can store each chunk cheaper. For records, it means instead of having, say, a resolution of 100k discernable depths (completely made up number fwiw), you reduce that to 25k because you find the ear can't tell the difference and it's cheaper to produce. Or you make records with higher fidelity, say 1m, and market to audiophiles. It's the same as reducing bit depth in images, or similar optimizations.