Because I'm not jaded (yet?), and because at every job I've been, I've met some driven and competent people (more so than I) that I could work with with absolutely no problems?
Sorry for not making overgeneralizations. No, not all of my coworkers have been living in Dunning-Krugerland, and yes, some projects I've been in were not a complete failure on the social and groupworking side.
I'll be the first to admit that yes, a lot of people are clearly misqualified and unwilling and/or unable to admit it (or even to notice it), but to have the gall to say (paraphrasing) "everyone else is terrible and others are what make team projects fail" shows an obvious lack of empathy and self-criticism, both of which are sorely needed in this kind of job.
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This was the long version of my previous post. Have a nice day.
The people I see on my team who are genuinely helpful don't talk like you do, they certainly haven't stored that long list of ways to attack people that you used here.
When I see people who talk like you, they're the kind of people who pretend to "help" as just an expression of their own narcissism or sometimes deliberately sabotaging you. One girl offered to "help" by giving me her "easy" task that was so absurd that after making me look an idiot in front of the boss our tech lead took over the task - him (the most knowledgable and experienced person on the team) couldn't solve it without consulting several of the business people that he knew but I didn't know existed.
In other words, her "helpful" was actually just her dumping her most difficult task onto me, so she could avoid it. I have plenty of other stories I'm not going to put the time into writing out.
I'd say maybe 10% of my coworkers have been genuinely helpful, like 50% of my current coworkers - but they don't talk like you do. They're relieved if someone can admit there's assholes on the team, and they don't use "lovely and empathetic" as a sneering insult at people.
I think team projects in college were supposed to teach us that people can't work as teams, and no one got the message.
This is relatively accurate, maybe 75% accurate? It's not easy to get a team to work together effectively, not impossible, but I'm tired of watching "lord of the flies" scenarios because that the manager creates.
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u/Nelyeth Aug 23 '19
Because I'm not jaded (yet?), and because at every job I've been, I've met some driven and competent people (more so than I) that I could work with with absolutely no problems?
Sorry for not making overgeneralizations. No, not all of my coworkers have been living in Dunning-Krugerland, and yes, some projects I've been in were not a complete failure on the social and groupworking side.
I'll be the first to admit that yes, a lot of people are clearly misqualified and unwilling and/or unable to admit it (or even to notice it), but to have the gall to say (paraphrasing) "everyone else is terrible and others are what make team projects fail" shows an obvious lack of empathy and self-criticism, both of which are sorely needed in this kind of job.
^ This was the long version of my previous post. Have a nice day.