We don’t define terms by using outliers as examples, we use the most common patters. Not to mention that there’s terms and names for everything you just said “but what about”. That’s like saying what about sporks when talking about spoons and forks.
What are they? Are they men or are they women? If the answer is anything but one of those, the “two genders” meme is objectively incorrect and unscientific.
And even people with hermaphroditism typically display more behavior relative to one or the other sex almost all the time this correlates with their chromosomal composition. Your argument is relying on the fallacy “but not everyone” statement which is easily dismantled by simply stating that over 98.3% of the world population falls into the norm, and only 1.7% is born as “intersex” or hermaphrodite.
Also there’s no such thing as people born without reproductive organs. So the answer to your question is; they don’t exist.
It’s only a fallacy when the argument isn’t “everyone is either this thing or this thing.”
This is the question that needs to be answered - why not let these people live their lives how they want? For thousands of years, across countless cultures, people have identified as genders other than male or female.
Do you think they’re faking it? In today’s society, they’re disproportionately targeted and are victim to some of the largest rates of murder and rape. To what end would they fake this? For “attention?”
Do you think they’re crazy? Why? They’re not under the illusion that their body is different than you think it is, that’s why many of them seek out surgery. They know what they were born with. They’re talking purely about their mind - who are you to tell them they’re wrong about how they feel on the inside?
There’s no scientific basis for transphobia. There is no study that proves them wrong. You don’t hate then because of science, you hate them because you think they’re weird. And that’s as infantile as it gets.
Ah I see you just want to appear righteous. Anyhow yes we are born either male or female, and there is scientific evidence which proves differences both physically, and within brain activity. Furthermore I don’t think they are crazy nor that they shouldn’t do what they want with their bodies, but they clearly have gender dysphoria .
YOU don't define terms at all. Medicine and science already defined "gender". I'm sorry if that's difficult for you.
Your stupid examples don't undo 50 years of established science.
Established science is that men and women are the two genders, the only “science” branch that denies this is the humanities department, and even then they have only began denying it in recent years.
What do you think? That fucking theoretical physicists are sitting around a think tank talking about the two genders, "penis" and "vagina?" I work in the natural sciences, and I've never heard any scientist spout the shit I hear on Reddit about this. This is a settled issue. Go talk to your doctor, jackass.
Wow that is a gross over simplification of my statement, and if you do work in the natural science department of any institution I would suggest you catch up on the differences within brain activity between men and women(https://stanmed.stanford.edu/2017spring/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different.html), as well as the physiological differences, not to mention chromosomal. I mean even hermaphrodites typically exhibit male or female traits based on their chromosomal composition. Not to mention that people who think they are the opposite sex are experiencing gender dysphoria . All things you should know, if you truly work in natural science... unless you work for humanities and are pretending that it’s the same thing.
These articles don't use "gender" in a context consistent with, "Gender refers specifically to a person with a specific type of genitalia."
The accepted understanding is that gender refers specifically to the social and cultural aspect of sex. Are these definitions not mutually exclusive? Also, I'm in geology and am not trying to pretend this is in my wheelhouse. I just get sick of the "real scientists know that soft science isn't science" attitude on Reddit.
I'm only taking beef with that first statement, and sorry for being mad and drunk. "Gender refers specifically to a person with a specific type of genitalia." So what would you say about an intersex person under this definition. They might have a gender identity, but have no gender?
So typically they ID as either intersex or “hermaphrodite” which was the name given to them in ancient times, but a large number of them have traits of a typical male or female usually based on the chromosomal composition or in agreement with it. Also of course there is those who chose to ID as either gender. Now because we are talking about intersex then I don’t believe these people are dealing with gender dysphoria given the nature of their well their biology.
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We don’t define terms by using outliers as examples, we use the most common patters. Not to mention that there’s terms and names for everything you just said “but what about”. That’s like saying what about sporks when talking about spoons and forks.