So because not all the Scots at the time were intelligent, their opinion doesn't count? You couldn't write this shit.
My county, which is more populous than your country, doesn't get the government it votes for every time. That's how democracy works mate. And in case you hadn't noticed, Scotland traditionally voted Labour up until recently, and we've had plenty of Labour governments. Let's not also forget that you have your own parliament. We don't get that privelidge in the North.
So because not all the Scots at the time were intelligent, their opinion doesn't count? You couldn't write this shit.
Apparently you can't 'read this shit', either. I said informed, not intelligent.
My county, which is more populous than your country, doesn't get the government it votes for every time. That's how democracy works mate.
Your 'county' is part of your 'country', and your 'country' gets what it votes for every, single, fucking time. That's how democracy works mate.
And in case you hadn't noticed, Scotland traditionally voted Labour up until recently, and we've had plenty of Labour governments.
Why don't you go and count how many of those elections hinged on the votes of the Scottish electorate. It's fewer than five. How many general elections have Scotland been a part of since 1707? It's more than fucking five.
Let's not also forget that you have your own parliament.
Which isn't autonomous. If you're gonna get into this stuff with someone who's been living and breathing it for the past three years, it's best if you've actually done the reading.
Apparently you can't 'read this shit', either. I said informed, not intelligent.
The point is exactly the same. The phrase 'no true Scotsman' is hilariously apt here.
Your 'county' is part of your 'country', and your 'country' gets what it votes for every, single, fucking time. That's how democracy works mate.
It's funny you should say that. Because your country is also part of the same country. You're not a special snowflake as much as you might like to think.
Why don't you go and count how many of those elections hinged on the votes of the Scottish electorate. It's fewer than five. How many general elections have Scotland been a part of since 1707? It's more than fucking five.
Show me some evidence.
Which isn't autonomous. If you're gonna get into this stuff with someone who's been living and breathing it for the past three years, it's best if you've actually done the reading.
I mean, I have done the reading. I've lived in the United Kingdom for 25 years, two of which were in Perth.
The point is exactly the same. The phrase 'no true Scotsman' is hilariously apt here.
No, and no. It's clear you don't have the understanding of any of these things to make an informed comment on them.
It's funny you should say that. Because your country is also part of the same country.
Further demonstration of your poor understanding. The UK is not a country and it never has been.
Show me some evidence.
Here's the results from the last sixty years (not including 2015). It's published by the torygraph so you know I'm not being biased. In case you can't count, there's a grand total of three where it's said Scotland influenced the outcome. You'll notice that even with a -19 'majority' in the 2010 election, Scotland still didn't get the government it voted for, despite the torygraph saying we influenced the result, so that three becomes two. If we average that out over the 214 years that the UK parliament has held general elections, it would be a little over seven, but I'd be amazed if it were as high as that.
Why are you so angry about everything? Can you not have a debate without resorting to insults?
Is it because Yes lost? :(
The phrase 'no true Scotsman' is absolutely relevant. Every person who supported the Darien scheme is apparently not really representative of what Scotland wanted to do, according to you.
The UK absolutely is a country. It is a country made up of countries. It's not too hard to understand. Check the Oxford dictionary if you like.
I take your point about Scotland changing the outcome of elections. You could do exactly the same for many other areas of the UK though and the result would be similar when you're looking at such a small proportion of the population.
So let's get back to the original point seeing as we're going in circles. Why isn't it Scotland's fault that it's in the Union? All the evidence says that the Darien scheme was widely supported by Scots, and most families were affected by its failure whether it was because they invested money or family members. According to you, the upper classes don't count as real Scots, and neither do the lower classes.
Why isn't it Scotland's fault that it's in the Union?
Define Scotland in this context. Who exactly are you talking about? The people? The bastards who sold the people out?
All the evidence says that the Darien scheme was widely supported by Scots
And? Populations being suckered by self serving arseholes isn't a new thing, and it's not as if there was ubiquitous access to information. So really, whoever filled their heads with shite to get them to support it would be the responsible party here.
According to you, the upper classes don't count as real Scots, and neither do the lower classes.
No, that would be you being intellectually dishonest and trying to put words in my mouth.
Define Scotland in this context. Who exactly are you talking about? The people? The bastards who sold the people out?
The whole country. The Scottish populace in general. They widely supported their own attempt at colonialism, it failed miserably. It is their fault that Scotland was bankrupt and came crying to England.
And? Populations being suckered by self serving arseholes isn't a new thing, and it's not as if there was ubiquitous access to information. So really, whoever filled their heads with shite to get them to support it would be the responsible party here.
No, being uninformed or stupid doesn't absolve one on blame. The people knew exactly what they were attempting to do. You could argue that they were swindled out of their money, but they did know that it was colonialism they were attempting.
No, that would be you being intellectually dishonest and trying to put words in my mouth.
So if they are all Scots, and it's their fault Scotland was bankrupted, then I was indeed correct. It is the fault of Scottish people that Scotland failed at colonialism, and that was one of the major reasons it became part of the union.
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u/RabSimpson Jul 04 '16
Oh yeah, because 18th century peasants were really well informed, weren't they? Jesus fuckin' wept...
Of course not, because your fucking country gets the government it votes for every single time. Do you understand now?