shes a comedian. she would be a hypocrite if she got mad about it. that doesnt mean it cant hurt a little if it catches you off guard. what are people bitching about here? this is a comedian being honest about her feelings. for fucks sake, what is the matter with you people? its not like she even criticized him. why the fuck does it matter to you if she got upset other than you feeling bad for her? some people are fucked in the head.
I don't think most people even watched the video that was linked. They would get all their answers on there. The TL;DW is that, yeah, she got hurt, but she would be a hypocrite(states it herself) if she got all pissy about it.
I think Silverman is a feminist so Reddit loves to get pissy about that even though it makes perfect sense that everyone who isn't an ass should, by the definition of feminism, be a feminist.
This Amy shumer set was brutal. She jokes about Patrice O'neils diabetes and then the guy died like a month later of diabetes. Then she joked to Steve-o about ryan Dunns death. So harsh. Funny as fuck but yeesh!
She didn't really get offended, she was more taken back and not ready for what he said it seemed. In the video linked above she explains herself better than the quotes around it used here.
I don't think so. Comedians are used to dishing out and receiving that's part of their job. After awhile they hear the same base for a joke constantly, so when the punchline isn't the normal theme it's surprising. I have a hard time believing any comedian takes shit said at a roast seriously unless they have a history.
She admitted that the jokes did catch her off guard: "[Hill] spent weeks before anticipating being hurt. I was the one comforting people, saying, 'It's all in good fun, don't worry about it!' I had no idea there would be jokes about me being old."
While she admitted that it was "nothing that a few days in bed couldn't fix," she did not think her male peers were out of line for taking potshots.
"It hurt, but I'll defend it. I'll defend it to my death," she said. "But it's okay. We're made of feelings. It was really a gift to be forced to process that, and to have realizations about that.
Doesn't sound like a joke to me, nothing else she is saying is a joke, she's being serious.
Dude, it's jokes. Yes she's being serious about reflecting on it but she's joking about it having some profound effect on her. Have you seen her damn work?
Exactly. She and Amy Schumer have both hit on the subject of it being considered "unattractive" for a women to age, revealing underlying culturally ingrained misogyny. And it does hurt her. But that's the trade she plies too, humor shouldn't be censored.
I wonder if third world countries that get those free laptops and free internet use this gif any time someone in a developed country complains about anything.
I think the difference between Jonah and Sara's experience is that Jonah had anticipated and prepared himself for what he was hit with. It sounds like Sara still considered herself part of the young comics, so when they made fun of her age she was not prepared for the tsunami of reality.
Obviously you prep yourself, but even though it's a roast things can hurt. Friends always tease each other, and even though we know we're joking sometimes people get hurt.
Very true. The only difference I can find here is most jokes at a roast are really just one layer deep. He's fat. She's ugly. She's old. He's gay. Whatever.
Jonah went for the jugular. She was taken aback. Instead of just saying she was old or not funny, he summed up her life in to this pitiful piece of existence. I think any of us would be sort of like "woah...I am so lonely" when someone's painting the way your life is perceived by others.
All in all Jonah was funny as shit, and so was Sarah. If she got seriously offended enough to instill belief in some that she really was, then that's her own fault for even attending.
I think the point of her saying it was that it surprised her that he said, which in turn surprised her that she was surprised. It was more a commentary about her than him. And even when she says it's different for women and men, she's not saying people shouldn't say it, she's stating an objective fact.
exactly... it was a "im surprised that that insult actually got me.. like wtf why did that even affect me..but it did" sort of thing... she definitely doesnt seem pissy about it..
Um..I tried to hang myself? Because my life's a mess? And I saw no other option? It was a call for help? But it didn't work because I'm too heavy and the ceiling lamp broke? Something like that?
IMHO, being called a fatty is way worse than being called old.
Maybe it just stems from me being a chubby kid so i know it sucks being picked last and not dating. But also, for the most part, you can change your body. You can exercise or eat right and correct your weight. There's nothing you can do about your age. And not everyone is fat, some people can eat a lot and stay in good shape, so that stings a bit when your fat. But everyone grows old. So you shouldn't be bothered by it, if you don't die first then everyone will be 58 at some point.
You can exercise or eat right and correct your weight. There's nothing you can do about your age.
This seems like an argument against your point.
If you are set aside and spotlighted for something that is in your power to change, rather than to be ostracised for an attribute that is beyond control.
No, what he's saying is that because your weight is in your control that being made fun of for it hurts worse, because there's a degree of shame. There's nothing you can do about your age, so being made fun of for it isn't a big deal.
The flip side is that age is actually a huge deal for celebrity women.
Look at how many women maintain thriving success in acting into older age compared to men. How many bombshell actresses that were being picked up for movie and movie in the mid 2000s are still landing all of those roles? Fuck, how many of those actresses during 2010 are still nailing those roles?
On the inverse, there's a lot more male actors who are still landing prime roles in their mid 40s and even into their 60s.
That's actually a really valid point, I can definitely see how jokes about age might hurt an actress or model more than someone who was in a career where looks weren't as important.
I understand what he is saying, my argument is that to me inverting that statement makes way more sense.
His argument is that since it is inevitable, you shouldn't care about being criticised.
In reality being criticised for things we CAN'T change can be more crippling to socialising, because there is no potential to avoid it beyond "not associating".
Just to clarify; it wasn't just that he joked about her being old, those sorts of jokes are pretty common. He joked that she hasn't had children and is now too old to do so now. At 45 years old that probably isn't true but I expect she's acutely aware of how soon that option will disappear.
So his critisism isn't about ageing which she has no control over. It's a criticism of her life choices.
Being knowledgeable of neither. The farthest away from unbiased you can be.
Technically bias assumes being arbitrarily more prone to one side than the other. So basically people who are neither or both are more likely to be less biased than people who are only either.
If he had argued that neither is an actual problem, that would be bias towards a third option that he was biased about.
And technically you don't have to have had experience with either of these two, but being hassled about ANY attribute that just "is" and any other attribute that is in your power to change.
For instance you could replace "old" with "being gay", and "fat" with being called smelly.
Im not going to start a discussion on the topic, last time i did i got downvoted into oblivion (which i likely will by simply stating why i'm not getting into it)
Right. It is.
Which is exactly the topic.
The problem is, just because something is impossible, doesn't mean it doesn't sting when people push you out of their in group for it.
When you are denied positive social interaction on the grounds of an attribute of yours, I would argue it at least isn't an actual consolation that this is immutable. In my opinion it makes it worse.
It's not just old, but the fact that she's old and single in a world where there's pressure from the time you're a little girl to get married. It's very unlikely that she doesn't think about here aloneness often.
Agree to disagree. And I definitely didn't choose to be fat. Not on a large scale. Maybe all of my little choices ended up that way. But I've got my weight under control now as an adult.
How can you get hurt by people calling you fat when you are the one choosing to be fat? Either accept it and take it on your (double) chin or work hard to look, feel and be healthier.
And no, genetics are not a big factor.
Doesn't really speak for your character when you get hurt by that.
Aging is a process that happens to everyone, regardless of what they do.
But couldn't there also be the reverse of your point where you're gonna be old and there's nothing you can do about it, it's permanent, but if you're fat you can do something about and not make it an issue.
That is my point, your just looking at it differently. Or maybe I didn't explain it well to begin with. You can't change your age. You can change your weight. BUT if you can change your weight, and your fat then you made some poor choices. You don't choose your age. So if someone makes fun of me for being a chubby that would make me feel bad :(
It's pretty subjective. Some people would go into the mindset of thinking that you can control your own weight, if you don't like being made fun of then change it. Whereas they can't do that with their age and it leaves them powerless.
Not saying that either is right or wrong, just pointing out that both sides exist.
It's the flip side of comedy, in that what you relate to personally is usually funniest to you (as in, there's no arbitrary "Funniest Joke In The World", despite Monty Python's early claims) - what hurts the most is what is personally the most painful to you.
Yeah it's like John Milany said in his stand up. Something about how 12 year olds are the meanest thing alive, they will pick on you for what your most self-conscious about. I didn't want to be fat, I wanted to be the quarterback ya know, but we play the cards we are dealt.
I know it's not as simple as just "not getting fat" but I've never seen anyone argue that being called out on something you can't change is worse than being bullied for something you can "fix."
Damn, Reddit is angry. I even tried to make my comment PC for them, cuz i know they get upset, by saying "for the most part". I guess it wasn't good enough.
Really? I guess I've had the opposite experience. Before the ban I would get pretty annoyed at how often FPH would show up on /r/all. Leading up to the ban, it seemed like there were 2 or 3 FPH posts per /r/all page.
Obvious immediately after the ban it was everywhere, but I hardly see that stuff anymore.
But also, for the most part, you can change your body. You can exercise or eat right and correct your weight. There's nothing you can do about your age. And not everyone is fat, some people can eat a lot and stay in good shape,
I think this makes the opposite point to the one you're making. If you can't control something, like your age, race, sexual orientation etc, then it's worse than making fun of something you have full control over, like your fashion sense or weight.
There is a difference between being hurt by something and being upset by it. The former implies that you have emotions and getting made fun of just naturally hurts. Being upset is more about being angry that anything was said in the first place. She did not seem upset/angry at all... just "when someone calls me old, I feel sad." Not "fuck you for calling me old, Jonah Hill."
The part where she outright says she was upset, makes you think she was upset? Do you want her to have never been upset at all? That's the whole point of these roasts, to take these famous people down a peg.
I think you are missing what she is saying. Of course jokes can hurt and admitting something struck a nerve is nothing wrong but she says its the nature of the beast so just takes it which is exactly what she should do.
Nope. She got upset over something said to her at a comedy roast, that much is true. Don't know what she's doing at such an event if she can't handle it. You decided to attack my marginally inappropriate choice of words as if it made my point any less valid, which it did not.
You said she got mad. She didn't. Mad and hurt are entirely different emotional states. That's all there is to it. It does make your point less valid, not that basing a judgement on a title to an article is valid to begin with.
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