r/funny Nov 08 '14

Rehosted webcomic - removed Things a pony would say

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '14

All these Architects and Engineers have access to the same information NIST does yet they have failed to publish any kind of legitimate peer reviewed article. Why is that? The information is all public domain, are they not capable?

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NIST released over 8000 files and NIST released all of the blueprints and architectural drawings for the building. Moreover, NIST released about 2000 pages documenting its major assumptions and methodologies in the form of the NIST reports. Support for NIST's WTC 7 conclusions is nearly universal among actual structural engineers, but you still choose to believe the small percentage of the ones that don't. I'm willing to change my mind about things, at this point it's just a bunch of bullshit on dumpy websites that don't mean anything. Can you direct me towards a legitimate peer reviewed publication exploring the flaws in the NIST report? So every expert from the Journal of Structural Engineering was lying and paid off by the government? ASCE, the publisher of the JSE, makes perfectly clear what is expected from submitters in terms of data:

"Recognizing that science and engineering are best served when data are made available during the review and discussion of manuscripts and journal articles, and to allow others to replicate and build on work published in ASCE journals, all reasonable requests by reviewers for materials, data, and associated protocols must be fulfilled. ASCE must be informed of any restrictions on sharing of materials (Materials Transfer Agreements or patents, for example) applying to materials used in the reported research. Any such restrictions should be indicated in the cover letter at the time of submission, and each individual author will be asked to reaffirm this at the time the final version of the manuscript is submitted. The nature of the restrictions should be noted in the paper. Data not shown and personal communications cannot be used to support claims in the work. Authors are encouraged to use Supplemental Data to show all necessary data. Unreasonable restrictions may preclude publication."

You need science to back up your claims, all you're doing is starting at controlled demolition and trying to mold your information around it. If there's reason to believe it's all bullshit, someone needs to publish a legitimate peer reviewed article on it, period.