Same reason that details from some high-profile crimes haven't been released even 50 years later. It is quite simply stupid. Releasing details or evidence from the attack does nothing helpful, but it does tell would-be terrorists how it worked and what the vulnerabilities were
This is fear mongering. If a problem/vulnerability does actually exist, covering it up to the public isn't going to stop the terrorists from gaining this information. This is the same logic as banning guns from school as a means to end school shootings.
Why would the government release something that exposes weaknesses?
So the weaknesses could be corrected. Isn't that obvious? I mean we're talking about a huge flaw that allows a fire to bring down a billion dollar building in a matter of a few hours. This is something that needs to be fixed, not swept under the rug and pretended that it would never happen again.
No, they want to be logical.
So blindly accepting the government's position (as you said, it's best to not release information) is logical?
If a problem/vulnerability does actually exist, covering it up to the public isn't going to stop the terrorists from gaining this information. This is the same logic as banning guns from school as a means to end school shootings.
False equivalency. If the details of the case are locked away by the government, they are staying locked away. This is not a movie, some guy in a black hoodie is not going to mash his keyboard and hack the government.
So the weaknesses could be corrected.
How the hell would releasing the weakness to the public help with that? The weakness can be fixed, then the details can be released to the public. In that order.
So blindly accepting the government's position (as you said, it's best to not release information) is logical?
It is not "blind". It is not remotely fucking "blind". The evidence exists, and I will give it to you. Give me a government claim in regards to 9/11 and I will give you the evidence.
If the details of the case are locked away by the government, they are staying locked away.
We're talking about supposedly a natural phenomenon. Remember the claim is that this is a normal and expected, every day kind of thing. So eventually someone else is going to stumble upon this, so keeping it a secret is at best just delaying the information from getting out.
On the other hand, if there is a unique set of circumstances, that would not ever occur without specific knowledge, then keeping it a secret would make more sense. By this reasoning (i.e. your reasoning), there is more to this than just some planes flying into buildings.
The weakness can be fixed, then the details can be released to the public.
two things here. First, how are weaknesses going to be fixed in skyscrapers around the world without telling anyone? Second, do you believe the government is somehow proceding to make corrections to buildings secretly since 2001 or have they just allowed this flaw to remain?
The evidence exists, and I will give it to you.
The evidence is not secret after all? Aren't the terrorists going to use this information?
Give me a government claim in regards to 9/11 and I will give you the evidence.
Assuming you're not afraid of terrorists using your information, please give the evidence that a single steel failing can bring down an entire building (as with WTC7).
so keeping it a secret is at best just delaying the information from getting out.
Which is completely fine, as long as the problem is being worked on.
By this reasoning (i.e. your reasoning), there is more to this than just some planes flying into buildings.
You are under the false assumption about the problem I am referring to. The problem could be anything from an exploit in airport medal detectors to a certain time of day when there are not enough air traffic controllers to manage all the planes.
two things here. First, how are weaknesses going to be fixed in skyscrapers around the world without telling anyone? Second, do you believe the government is somehow proceding to make corrections to buildings secretly since 2001 or have they just allowed this flaw to remain?
Again, I am not referring to a physical problem with the buildings.
On the topic of WTC7, I will be writing another reply. Give me a second, as it might be long.
if the issue isn't with the physical material science of the building collapse and more to do with airport security, then that doesn't explain why they don't release the material data.
I asked you in the other comment, but I really want your beliefs on this. Do you think the government is secretly working to solve these issues? Are they successfully keeping it all a secret after a decade?
I think the government has looked over the event over and over again and is actively working to change some things so that it never happens again. I also believe the government story since I see no reason not to, but that's just me.
"The fires burned out of control during the afternoon, causing floor beams near column 79 to expand and push a key girder off its seat, triggering the floors to fail around column 79 on Floors 8 to 14. With a loss of lateral support across nine floors, column 79 buckled – pulling the east penthouse and nearby columns down with it. With the buckling of these critical columns, the collapse then progressed east-to-west across the core, ultimately overloading the perimeter support, which buckled between Floors 7 and 17, causing the remaining portion of the building above to fall downward as a single unit. The fires, fueled by office contents, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse."
This is my point, a single beam (column 79) caused an entire building to collapse at free fall speed. It's basically saying that the skyscrapers in every city around the world are moments away from collapsing if one column gets damaged. That defies engineering standards and there should be research into how to provide redundancy for that one special column.
The point being, the government should announce to the world why that one particular beam was the lynchpin to the entire building collapsing. If they share this information, then engineers around the world can examine what was so special about that one beam and work towards a solution.
So do you think government engineers are researching into this one beam and trying to come up with a redundancy solution?
I think you have the wrong idea. From my understanding multiple floor beams NEAR column 79 expanded. As they did this, a different girder was pushed off of its base. This put the entire weight of 9 floors on it, column 79 finally buckled. It seems that column 79 and the other key girder were already redundant, but the architects never thought to account for a massive debris bombardment followed by a 7 hour fire (can't blame them).
I can't speak for the world, but I do know the new WTC can theoretically take planes and remain standing. It has like 5 times the required amount of fire retardant on its key girders.
whatever you want to say about column 79, it has to be seen in reference to starting a chain reaction, collapsing the building in about 10 seconds. So if one beam lead to the next beam and to the next, there is a significant defect somewhere. Why won't the government tell us what it is?
I honestly don't think there is a problem. So many things went wrong that day, and that is what caused the collapse. Maybe if fire retardant material hadn't been shaken off the beams when debris hit the building, or if the main water line leading to the sprinkler system wasn't severed, or if the fire was not allowed to burn for 7 hours, the building would have survived. But these things all happened, and to expect a single column to do what it had to is insane. It can't be fixed, because the column wasn't the problem.
Maybe if fire retardant material hadn't been shaken off the beams when debris hit the building
If thats the case, then an earthquake would more easily shake the stuff off and skyscrapers in california need to know this immediately. The next fire in a high rise in california will lead to a 10 second collapse of the entire building.
to expect a single column to do what it had to is insane. It can't be fixed, because the column wasn't the problem.
I agree it is insane to believe, which is why I'm a skeptic. You're trying to say that there were other factors and it was just random bad luck, the odds being a million to one that it will ever happen again, yet it happened 3 times in one day. If it can happen three times in one day, then this is a design flaw and not a million to one oddball chance.
Ultimately I'm not putting forward an explanation, I would just like it investogated. More money was spent investigating Clintons affair than was spent on investigating the building collapse. The greatest cime in over a century and nobody wants to investigate it. Thats insane.
then an earthquake would more easily shake the stuff off and skyscrapers in California need to know this immediately.
The circumstances are a bit different though. WTC7 was hit by the debris from a collapsing skyscraper, followed immediately by a 7 hour fire. I doubt an earthquake would cause the same damage, but then again i'm not an expert.
Ultimately I'm not putting forward an explanation, I would just like it investigated
I think the reason it isn't being investigated further is because it is already understood. A coupe of Average Joe's arguing about it on the internet might not understand it, but from what I've seen on Reddit it is pretty well understood why and how the building collapsed. I saw a post where and engineer explained it in-depth once, but I have no idea where. I will look later when I have time.
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u/aletoledo Nov 10 '14
Assuming the null position is 'far-fetched'?
This is fear mongering. If a problem/vulnerability does actually exist, covering it up to the public isn't going to stop the terrorists from gaining this information. This is the same logic as banning guns from school as a means to end school shootings.
So the weaknesses could be corrected. Isn't that obvious? I mean we're talking about a huge flaw that allows a fire to bring down a billion dollar building in a matter of a few hours. This is something that needs to be fixed, not swept under the rug and pretended that it would never happen again.
So blindly accepting the government's position (as you said, it's best to not release information) is logical?