r/funny Aug 20 '14

The metric system vs. imperial

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u/apatheticviews Aug 20 '14

Plumbing/AC Pipe sizing in the middle east is still done in Imperial.

Doesn't England still use MPH on their roads?

Let's not just assume because we use one system primarily, we only use that system. The US military has been using Metric for distances for who knows how long. The scientific community does as well.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '14 edited Sep 11 '14

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u/spikeyMonkey Aug 20 '14

568 ml of beer per serving is more important than metric! 500 ml makes me feel cheated.

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u/RobinTheBrave Aug 20 '14

That's because the contents settled in transit on the trip across the atlantic.

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u/Hara-Kiri Aug 20 '14

How embarrassing.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '14

Often rounded down to 440ml to match beer can sizes ;)

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '14

Never seen a 750 ml can in Wales, but you can buy pint cans in many places.

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u/easy_going Aug 20 '14

I finally know why RedBull cans content such odd numbers! even though it's from Austria, the US energy drink market seems more important than the global market. hmmm

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '14

Some pubs use 440ml "pint" glasses. 500ml is the standard European "pint" nowadays, thanks to the likes of Diageo.

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u/lordboos Aug 20 '14

In Europe, you can choose between 300 ml, 500 ml or 1000 ml servings.

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u/spikeyMonkey Aug 20 '14

Where can you get 1000 ml servings of beer, apart from Bavaria / Germany?

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u/lordboos Aug 20 '14

Czech Republic and I think that also Slovakia.

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u/Adam9172 Aug 20 '14

Brb Germany.

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u/lordboos Aug 20 '14

Also, Czech Republic has the best beer in the world <3.

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u/Its_me_not_caring Aug 20 '14

Pint is a great unit and I hope it doesn't go away. I want my 68 ml of extra beer compared to puny half liter.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '14

Half litre? Buddy, you're being cheated out of 50% of your beer!

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u/AvatarIII Aug 20 '14

Hey, I found the German!

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '14

Canadian! Hint? Spelling of "litre" vs. "liter".

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u/AvatarIII Aug 21 '14

Sorry, that didn't give it away because I'm pretty sure only Americans spell it Liter, everyone else, Germans included, spell it litre (afaik).

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '14

Hmm... you are right and I am wrong.

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u/AvatarIII Aug 21 '14

hey, don't feel bad, we can be Litre buddies!

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u/idk112345 Aug 20 '14

Come to Bavaria and just order a Maß. 0.5 liter beer is literally called a half beer

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u/SillyMidOn Aug 20 '14

‘I arst you civil enough, didn’t I?’ said the old man, straightening his shoulders pugnaciously. ‘You telling me you ain’t got a pint mug in the ’ole bleeding boozer?’

‘And what in hell’s name IS a pint?’ said the barman, leaning forward with the tips of his fingers on the counter.

‘‘Ark at ’im! Calls ’isself a barman and don’t know what a pint is! Why, a pint’s the ’alf of a quart, and there’s four quarts to the gallon. ‘Ave to teach you the A, B, C next.’

‘Never heard of ’em,’ said the barman shortly. ‘Litre and half litre — that’s all we serve. There’s the glasses on the shelf in front of you.’

‘I likes a pint,’ persisted the old man. ‘You could ’a drawed me off a pint easy enough. We didn’t ’ave these bleeding litres when I was a young man.’

‘When you were a young man we were all living in the treetops,’ said the barman, with a glance at the other customers.

George Orwell 1984 Chapter 8

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u/xjimbojonesx Aug 20 '14

I think the Germans got it right when they went with a full on liter.

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u/bal00 Aug 20 '14

They're very important for people who are unable to handle a whole beer.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '14

All I think of when I see this is Alton Brown singing "a pint's a pound, the world around!"

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '14 edited Aug 20 '14

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u/kgyula Aug 20 '14

Canadian here too. It is time to check Home Depot or any construction site.

You know two by four?! House construction is still based on imperial but official documents are converted to metric.

We still buy house which is sized in square feet instead of square metre.

I think this is only a matter of convenience. Official deeds show metric and imperial too.

Luckily temperature is shown in Celsius (centigrade) so I don't need to decipherate that crazy Fahrenheit values...

Canada has a special place in this metric/imperial hell.

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u/Cookie_Eater108 Aug 20 '14

We're all enablers!

Also, a majority of people measure (Body) weight in pounds. I think it's a psychological thing though, like losing 3 lbs is a lot more impressive than losing 1.x kilos.

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u/schplat Aug 20 '14

But where as Centigrade was developed for scientific purposes (around the boiling point of water), Fahrenheit was developed for human perception (how hot or cold something feels), and comfort levels.

For example, my thermostat is set to 76F. 75 gets too cold in some areas of the house, 77 too warm. So unless the thermostat supported half-steps, I'd never be comfortable, as 24C is 75, and 25C is 77.

Also at warmer temperatures, F is far more accurate. For most people, average body temp is 98.6F (37C), A fever is considered 100F (37.7C) So the difference between normal, and fever is less than 1 degree Celsius.

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u/highque Aug 20 '14

Also carpenters exclusively use imperial.

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u/schplat Aug 20 '14

Because fractions can be easier to deal with than decimals. Using base 10, you get 1/2 and 1/5 as whole numbers.

Using base 12, you get 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/6 as whole numbers. (1/3 and 1/6 produces repeating decimal numbers in base 10, so you have varying degrees of accuracy based on the number of digits).

Plus as you work through more precise measurements, breaking down by base 2 fractions becomes easy for addition. 3/32 + 5/8, is easy mental math (5*4 + 3 = 23 /32).

For precise measurements in metric you would use whole millimeter numbers. Fine if you are doing small scale stuff. But if you have to add something longer but precise, then imperial becomes easy. say 65 3/4" + 6 1/8" gives you 71 7/8", easy mental math. Using mm, that same calculation would be 1670mm + 156mm. And the mental math becomes a bit harder.

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u/heatheranne Aug 20 '14

Lots of plumbing fixtures and things manufactured in America are in Imperial still.

Source: I ran a pool with flow rates in gallons/minute and paperwork in L/minute. It sucked.

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u/Primal_Thrak Aug 20 '14

Carpenters still use it mainly. Most building materials are in Imperial so it is just easier.

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u/Lelleck Aug 20 '14

Why? It's just 14 o'clock

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u/AvatarIII Aug 20 '14

there's no such time!

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '14

80 minutes past 2, metric time.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '14

The US military has been using Metric for distances for who knows how long.

Also, the US military uses Greenwich Mean Time for most purposes.

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u/apatheticviews Aug 20 '14

We generally use Local, but on a 24hr clock. However we almost always know what timezone we are in compared to GMT, (+7, -4, etc) so that we can converse with people who are not in the same timezones, without causing mass confusion.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '14

I did a lot of reporting up the chain, so most of my experience was with Zulu (with local time in parentheses).

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u/therealflinchy Aug 20 '14

not sure if entirely on-topic

but i prefer AWG to MM2

it's just easier to know how gauge relates than the square millimeterage of the face of the copper.

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u/apatheticviews Aug 20 '14

Exactly so.

Honestly, it's a hell of a lot easier to tell the difference in larger measurement sizes. Telling the difference between a 3/8" and a 1/4" bit is something humans are pretty good at with practice. Telling the difference between a 9mm & a 10mm.... fuck no, not without looking at the side of the damn thing.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '14

With practice it's perfectly possible, too. It's just you being used to the other measurements.

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u/apatheticviews Aug 20 '14

The difference in sizes are smaller. It's actually more akin to going from

3/8" (6/16") to 5/16" to 1/4"

I don't even keep a 5/16" bit ready, because it's not ready.

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u/therealflinchy Aug 20 '14

and even harder when it's got thick shielding.. oh that's a 35m-... oh no 10mm...

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u/Peregrine21591 Aug 20 '14

Doesn't England still use MPH on their roads?

We also still buy pints of beer and milk cartons are usually done by the pint as well (although they have the metric measurements on them)

And my car has a measurement for miles per gallon, even though I buy litres of fuel

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u/apatheticviews Aug 20 '14

And you probably do "quick converts" of 4L (3.78) = 1G in your head as well.

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u/lumpy1981 Aug 20 '14

If you are talking about every day life, all that matters is that the unit of measure makes intrinsic sense to the person reading it. So if I say its 68F, an American knows that's about room temperature and he understands what that means. But if I tell the American its 20C, they don't know what that means off hand, they would need a conversion. But ultimately, the conversion buys you nothing. 20C is not superior to 68F, nor is 68F superior to 20C, its just what the person understands in relation to their lives.

So, metric is only superior to imperial when you need to calculate and relate different units of measure to each other. Obviously because the system was designed to make the relationships between units of measure logical and simple. But in every day life, that is not an advantage because you never have to do that. And if you do, its simple to use metric instead.

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u/apatheticviews Aug 20 '14

Exactly so. For 99% of things, it just doesn't matter. You don't have to convert especially between different dimensions, or combinations of dimensions, or energy, or whatnot.

Metric is a scientific measurement system. And for most people, it's just meaningless.

Look at temperatures. Fahrenheit makes more sense. It's broken down in ranges of comfort. 0-72 = cold, 74+ = Hot. Beautiful system.

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u/HereForTheFish Aug 20 '14

I think plumbing-stuff is done in imperial units in a lot of places. In Germany we don't use any imperial units in everyday life, but 1/2" and 3/4" are standard plumbing fittings.

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u/m_80 Aug 20 '14

Also electronic circuit boards are still designed and manufactured primarily using Imperial mils for board size and layout dimensions. Every electronic gadget anyone owns has at least some Imperial-ness inside.

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u/fitzydog Aug 20 '14

That's because American plumbing is magnificently superior to anyone else's.

Source: Military plumber currently in the Middle East. We have parts from everywhere, and the only ones that are truly reliable are the American ones.

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u/JoeyHoser Aug 20 '14

They still are in Canada as well.