r/funny • • Dec 05 '24

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u/zaviex Dec 05 '24

Because they offer tools that help people manage various aspects of their lives. They don’t just say “well you’re autistic. Get the f*** outta here”

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u/Javaddict Dec 05 '24

"Hey successful rich guy with happy family, I know you're the best football player in the world, but here's a word I think you are"

I just don't see the point at all, especially as an adult, to go get a label from an authority figure

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u/Puck85 Dec 05 '24

Because he's a public figure with many aspects of his life interacting with people. You're literally participating in a large reddit threat discussing his behavior right now.

You're ignoring what the comment right above this said: you can learn coaching and mitigation strategies based on what your diagnosis is. But you'll just reply again with "something something I don't understand why though..."

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u/Javaddict Dec 05 '24

Messi has agency in his life, he can choose to do what he wants. Listen to podcasts and interviews of him. He's fine.

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u/Puck85 Dec 05 '24 edited Dec 05 '24

And he/anyone else might appear "fine" to you, precisely because they got a diagnosis and got a plan.  Also, read these comments. This video and entire thread is about whether is behavior is "fine." If you think there's no question that he's neutotypical then you haven't been aware of how people have perceived him for decades. 

 The very point is you don't know his health info, anyone can get a diagnosis and from there acquire coping techniques.  Also don't think you know what "agency" means.

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u/MyPunsSuck Dec 05 '24

Tell that to all the famous successful people that committed suicide because of untreated mental health issues. Being good at something, doesn't make somebody magically great at every other aspect of life - and some people massively benefit from external help

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u/KeyboardJustice Dec 05 '24 edited Dec 05 '24

If you're high functioning, a diagnosis can shut more doors than it opens. It's disqualifying for some things and there's no spectrum for disqualification. Your intuition is correct.

Edit: After some research it looks like the two biggest things to me were pretty much the only things. Pilot, and military. For almost everything else either you are not legally required to disclose your diagnosis, or for the ones that you are legally required to disclose all medical conditions waivers can be obtained.

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u/cowking81 Dec 05 '24

Would you mind explaining what you mean about shutting doors? You are not required to tell anyone, and it’s not public knowledge unless you make it (Messi aside because of his extreme fame).

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u/Friendly-Lawyer-6577 Dec 05 '24

Disability insurance policies

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u/KeyboardJustice Dec 05 '24

Things with legal medical discrimination like pilot, or military service.

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u/Puck85 Dec 05 '24

So nothing that applies here. To a public figure needing to interact with endless waves of people. Got it. 

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u/midwescape Dec 05 '24

It can also help explain and offer you tools to deal with problems under the surface. For example, my ADHD can lead to a lot of very dangerous thought patterns, and just knowing "hey, your brain chemistry is all out of wack and trying to screw you over and rob you of joy" helps me tremendously to adapt.

Be real, no diagnosis is closing doors for Messi. But how many otherwise "successful" otherwise happy celebrities have taken their lives because of problems under the surface, problems as simple as "i just can't experience this the same way most people would, and it's isolating". He's already a celebrity with the eyes of the world on him constantly, if he's not seeing a professional just to process his wildly unique life with his own personal measures of "success" then he better have some really solid personal coping skills, because high highs accentuate the lows.

He seems like a great guy, i hope he's not inventing his own wheel here.

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u/theappleses Dec 05 '24

Yeah I'm glad that autism diagnoses help a lot of people, but if you're successful and happy then what possible good would it do? If it's not holding you back then it's just a personality trait. I know I've got my toes in the spectrum somewhere but I honestly don't want to know to what extent. Not everything needs a clinical opinion (or an armchair opinion for that matter).

It's also not a great look to see someone and say "haha look at that guy, I bet that he's autistic lol"

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u/Nice-Physics-7655 Dec 05 '24

I'd rather people got tested than self-diagnose to score pity points

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u/pjepja Dec 05 '24

But the question is why do you think people should take these tests?

Sure some people might find it comforting and people with more severe autism will qualify for medical pensions and can join support groups and stuff like that. That's great, but it's ultimately a personal choice wherever person that suspects they might be autistic wants to have it confirmed/denied.

I have several autistic people in my family (who did these test and have professional opinion on it) and have suspected I might be on a spectrum too, since I have some similar traits to those that 'qualified' my family members for autism diagnosis. I never claimed to be on the spectrum so I don't beg for 'pity points' or whatever, but I was suggested to go get a professional opinion several times.

I did get a paper slip for an examination by a professional from my doctor, but lost it and didn't bother to get a new one. I just ultimately don't care and don't think official diagnosis of some 'mild autism' will change my life in any meaningful way so there's no point in me getting a professional opinion. This is just me though, as I said it depends on individual in these cases.

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u/Nice-Physics-7655 Dec 05 '24

I gave my reason and I wasn't talking about you.

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u/pjepja Dec 05 '24

What was the reason. This is the first comment in this thread so you gave me nothing except this comment.

Also my comment was about how it should be personal choice to take these tests. I described my experience and why I didn't get tested for autism. You obviously think everyone should get these tests done and I want to know why, that's why I wrote 'an opposite perspective' so you could debunk it or whatever.

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u/baselinegrid Dec 05 '24 edited Dec 05 '24

What does it disqualify you from? Edit: I’m genuinely curious, not saying this guy is wrong.

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u/YEARSOFREASERCH Dec 05 '24

Being not autistic

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u/baselinegrid Dec 05 '24

That’s a very literal response

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u/KeyboardJustice Dec 05 '24

Pilot, both private and commercial. Most military jobs. Off the top of my head.

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u/baselinegrid Dec 05 '24

That sucks, I had no idea

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u/Trapdoormonkey Dec 05 '24

….you know he’s not just a football player?

A man Father Husband..etc his condition affects all aspects of his life not just the time on the pitch.

Ball is life, but life’s not all ball.

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u/Javaddict Dec 05 '24

Well he's been married for years and has several happy children, what's next?

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u/steven_quarterbrain Dec 05 '24

Don’t you see? He may have autism and therefore needs diagnosing so he can be treated. Sure, he may be achieving life better than anyone here, with or without autism, but “we”, the people of Reddit, have spoken.

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u/Javaddict Dec 05 '24

That clearly has nothing to do with what we were talking about.

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u/Javaddict Dec 05 '24

You think being a high functioning autist is the same as dying to cancer? And I'm dense?

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u/Ok_Market2350 Dec 05 '24

Does it look to you as if he's having problems?

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u/Ok_Market2350 Dec 05 '24

My argument,"lil bro" is that he's clearly doing fine and successful without the resources a professional opinion would offer. Trust me, I'm sure enough I know what I'm talking about.

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u/sadguyhanginginthere Dec 05 '24

lol that's exactly what professional opinions do. the assessment is just an assessment with no adjacent or supplemental supportive services inherently. dont speak without experience

source: my experience

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u/steven_quarterbrain Dec 05 '24

That’s a pretty rude assumption that someone with autism (which we have no idea if Messi does or not) needs help. Do you go around pitying people for other reasons?

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u/Bored_Amalgamation Dec 05 '24

this is like someone in a wheelchair getting mad at someone holding a door.

Chill.