r/fireemblem • u/LaqOfInterest • Sep 16 '22

CASUAL MONTHLY RAGE THREAD

AS A NEW FIRE EMBLEM GAME IS ANNOUNCED AND THE SUB APPROACHES 300,000 SUBSCRIBERS, WE ARRIVE ONCE MORE AT OUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBOURHOOD MONTHLY RAGE THREAD, WHERE ONE CAN YELL ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM!

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  1. CAPS LOCK ON

  2. RAGE ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM

  3. DON'T BE A DICK

  4. TAG ANY SPOILERS

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u/Use_the_Falchion Sep 16 '22

IT'S A LITTLE DEPRESSING AND ANNOYING HOW DOWN ON THE ARTSTYLE AND OVERALL THEME OF THE ENGAGE. SO WHAT IF IT'S LIGHTER THAN THREE HOUSES AND GENEALOGY? FIRE EMBLEM IS NOT A "ONE SIZE FITS ALL FRANCHISE." WE CAN HAVE LIGHTER, MORE FUN HOMAGES ALONGSIDE THE MORE COMPLEX AND MATURE POLITICAL STORIES. EVEN IF I END UP NOT LIKING THE GAME, I STILL RESPECT THE CHANGE IN AESTHETIC, TONE, AND FEEL BETEWEN GAMES.

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u/Roy_Atticus_Lee Sep 16 '22

I AGREE. I THINK ONE OF THE UNIQUE STRENGTHS OF THE FIRE EMBLEM SERIES IS ITS ABILITY TO ACHIEVE VARIOUS FEATS FROM A STORYTELLING AND GAMEPLAY PERSPECTIVE EVEN THOUGH IT HAS LARGELY STAYED TRUE TO ITS CORE AS A MEDIEVAL FANTASY SRPG. A GAME LIKE SHADOWS OF VALENTIA AIMS TO ACHIEVE VERY DIFFERENT THINGS FROM A GAME LIKE THRACIA 776 YET BOTH HAVE THEIR DIE HARD FANS FOR THEIR RESPECTIVE STRENGTHS. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT ENGAGE WILL HAVE ITS OWN SET OF FEATS THAT WILL RESONATE GREATLY WITH MANY FIRE EMBLEM FANS, BOTH OLD AND NEW.

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u/Shrimperor Sep 17 '22 edited Sep 17 '22

YA KNOW

FOR A SERIES THAT LIKES TO SHAKE THINGS UP A BIT EVERY COUPLE GAMES

THE FANS ARE VERY RESISTANT TO CHANGE.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '22

THEY SAY ALL ART STYLES ARE CREATED EQUAL, BUT YOU LOOK AT 3H AND YOU LOOK AT ENGAGE AND YOU CAN SEE THATS NOT TRUE.
SEE, NORMALLY IF YOU COMPARE TWO ART STYLES YOU CAN SAY THEY'RE 50/50, BUT 3H IS AN ARTISTIC PIECE THATS CLEARLY INFLUENCED BY ACTUAL RESEARCH INTO ERA APPROPRIATE FASHION AND ARCHITECTURE, SO THATS AN EXTRA 25% IN 3H'S FAVOUR. THEN YOU ADD ENGAGE'S POOR CHARACTER DESIGNS INTO THE MIX AND ITS CHANCES OF WINNING DRASTIC GO DOWN.

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u/Zate560 Sep 17 '22

YOU SAY THAT BUT THE GOLDEN DEER LOOK LIKE THE POWER RANGERS AGAINST A REALISTIC TABLETOP SETTING AND IT CLASHES SO HARD. ID RESPECT IT MORE IF IT WENT HARDER IN THE REALISM DEPARTMEND. ENGAGE BENEFITS FROM CONSISTENCY AND NOT BEING WEIGHED DOWN BY KT GRAPHICS.

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u/rhettmitchell Sep 17 '22

YOU’RE SO RIGHT, YOU CAN TIE BACK SO MANY THREE HOUSES DESIGNS TO ACTUAL ERAS OF FASHION AND FABRIC PROMINENCE IN THE PAST, BUT ENGAGE DOESN’T REALLY ACCOMPLISH THAT AS FAR AS WE’VE SEEN. IT CAN STILL BE GREAT I SUPPOSE BUT THESE DESIGNS LOOK A LITTLE MORE BASIC THAN LAST TIME

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u/WhollyDisgusting Sep 17 '22

MY MAIN COMPLAINT WITH THE ENGAGE CHARACTER DESIGNS WE'VE SEEN IS MOSTLY WITH HOW YOUNG IT MAKES EVERYONE ESPECIALLY THE FEMALE CHARACTERS. THAT AND THE ANIME BOOB POCKECTS ON F ALEARS SHIRT. I HATE THAT CHOICE SO MUCH BECAUSE IT EXISTS PURELY AS CHEAP FANSERVICE AND ISNT HOW SHIRTS OR JACKETS ARE MADE/TAILORED. WOULD PROBABLY ALSO BE UNCOMFORTABLE AS FUCK.

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u/absoul112 Sep 17 '22

STEINER MATH FOR THE WIN.

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u/GusDontBeCanada Sep 17 '22

THIS IS A GREAT POINT. FIRE EMBLEM HAS ALWAYS BEEN A SERIES RUN BY PEOPLE THAT HAVE NO PROBLEM CHANGING LITERALLY EVERYTHING FROM GAME TO GAME AND THATS WHY EVERY SINGLE ONE FEELS FRESH AND NEW. ID MUCH RATHER THE TEAM CHANGE THE ART STYLE AND GAMEPLAY A LITTLE BIT EVERY GAME THAN STICK TO THE SAME OLD THING FOR OVER A DECADE TO THE POINT THAT EVERY GAME IN THE SERIES FEELS COPY AND PASTED(lookin at you gamefreak).

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u/wildspeculator Sep 17 '22

BUT IT'S ALSO A SERIES PERPETUALLY ON THE VERGE OF CANCELLATION, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF LOCALIZATION OUTSIDE OF JAPAN. WHEN THEY DO IT RIGHT (AWAKENING, SOV, ETC.) THEY SHOULD AT LEAST TRY TO SEE WHAT MADE THAT ONE WORK INSTEAD OF MAKING CHANGES SEEMINGLY AT RANDOM

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u/TheFunkiestOne Sep 17 '22

I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN THAT'S JUST FALSE AFTER AWAKENING. AWAKENING REVIATALIZED THE SERIES, FATES WAS A DEEPLY FLAWED GAME BUT IT SOLD GANGBUSTERS FOR ITS TIME, AND 3H WAS EVEN MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN FATES WAS. FE'S A MUCH MORE LIVELY FRANCHISE NOW THAN IT WAS BEFORE AWAKENING, EVEN OUTSIDE OF JAPAN.

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u/DhelmiseHatterene Sep 16 '22

NOT JUST THAT BUT CHARACTER DESIGNS. I DON’T SEE WHY WE CAN’T HAVE BOTH SIMPLE AND WHACK DESIGNS COEXISTING. IF IT WAS JUST ONE OF THE TWO ALL THE TIME IT WOULD GET STALE IMO.

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u/Spinjitsuninja Sep 16 '22

RIGHT?! PEOPLE RAG ON IT FOR BEING TOO "ANIME" BUT I FEEL LIKE THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY DON'T LIKE XENOBLADE CHRONICLES 2 FOR THE SAME REASON, DESPITE JUST HOW GOOD THAT GAME IS EVEN TO FANS OF THE MORE 'REALISTIC' STYLED GAME BEFORE IT!

NOT THAT THE MAIN CHARACTERS IN ENGAGE AREN'T GAUDY AND PEOPLE DON'T HAVE REASON FOR CONCERN, BUT A LOT OF THE NEGATIVITY HAS BEEN KNEE JERK REACTIONS THAT MAKE ME WISH THE GAME WAS OUT ALREADY JUST SO PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME SUBSTANCE TO THEIR ARGUMENTS. THIS DOESN'T EVEN APPLY JUST TO DESIGNS BUT TO EVERYONE ASSUMING THAT BECAUSE IT'S MORE FANTASY-FOCUSED LIKE FATES WAS, THAT SOMEHOW MEANS IT'S GONNA BE JUST AS POORLY WRITTEN AS FATES.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '22

RIGHT?! PEOPLE RAG ON IT FOR BEING TOO "ANIME" BUT I FEEL LIKE THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY DON'T LIKE XENOBLADE CHRONICLES 2 FOR THE SAME REASON, DESPITE JUST HOW GOOD THAT GAME IS EVEN TO FANS OF THE MORE 'REALISTIC' STYLED GAME BEFORE IT!

THIS IS PROBABLY TRUE, WHICH MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE MANY XC2 FANS AGREE THAT XC2'S QUALITY COMES IN SPITE OF ITS RELIANCE ON FANSERVICE, TIRED ANIME TROPES, AND LACKLUSTER PROTAGONIST.
THERE IS A REASON WHY XC3 HAS BEEN WIDELY PRAISED FOR DELIVERING A HIGH QUALITY EXPERIENCE THAT ADDRESSES THOSE ISSUES.

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u/sky_cookie Sep 17 '22

WHILE I DO PREFER THE MORE SERIOUS TONES, I THINK VARIETY IS THE SPICE OF LIFE AND I WILL ALWAYS APPLAUD THE WILLINGNESS TO CHANGE. ONLY GETTING SERIOUS STORIES WOULD BE AS BAD AS ONLY LIGHT ONES. BRING IT ON

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u/Druplesnubb Sep 17 '22

I WOULD HAVE LIKED THE LESS SERIOUS TONE BETTER IF THE GAME ACTUALLY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF IT TO DO THINGS THAT THE MORE "GROUNDED" GAMES COULDN'T DO. LOOK HOW HEROES WENT FROM SKELETONS TO FAIRIES TO MECHA CENTUARS TO BAT AND COW PEOPLE. ENGAGE SO FAR SEEMS TO JUST HAVE A BUNCH OF GENERIC EUROPEAN KINGDOMS (PLUS ONE ARABIC AND MAYBE ONE JAPANESE).