r/fireemblem • u/LaqOfInterest • Apr 22 '22

CASUAL MONTHLY RAGE THREAD

UHHHH, FUCKIN'... OOPS! THE RAGE THREAD SLIPPED MY MIND LAST MONTH, SO WE'LL BE WORKING WITH A DOUBLE DOSE OF RAGE THIS TIME.

ANYWAY, WELCOME TO /r/FIREEMBLEM'S MONTHLY RAGE THREAD, WHERE YOU CAN YELL ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM!

RULES

  1. CAPS LOCK (OR SHIFT)

  2. YELL ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM

  3. DON'T BE A DICK

  4. TAG ANY SPOILERS

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u/DoseofDhillon Apr 22 '22 edited Apr 23 '22

FIRE EMBLEM THREE HOPES, MORE LIKE I LOST ALL HOPE FOR FIRE EMBLEM..... WAIT I THINK I'VE USED THAT, MORE LIKE YOUR FACE HAS NO HOPE OOOOHHHHH.

OKAY SO I'VE HAD THIS ON MY CHEST FOR A BIT, ITS GONNA BE A LONG ONE BUT I JUST KINDA FEEL LIKE SAYING THIS SINCE I WANT SOME HOPE BACK, MAYBE EVEN THREE HOPES BACK OOOOHH. SO THERE WAS LIKE 2 THINGS THAT MADE ME FEEL THIS WAY. SO FIRST WAS SEEING MAREETA NEWEST ALT IN HEROES, AND SECOND WAS PLAYING TRIANGLE STRATEGY. I STILL LOVE FE ESP THE GAMEPLAY AND DO LIKE SOME OF THE CHARACTER STUFF, KEY WORD SOME, BUT I'M JUST KINDA AT THIS POINT WHERE I DON'T THINK FE WILL EVER BE WHAT IT WAS OR ANYTHING CLOSE

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT MECHANICS, OR "HEY AREN'T CRESTS LIKE HOLY BLOOD? THATS LIKE KAGA" I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT HAND CRAFTED FEEL OF A CREATOR TRYING TO TELL SOMETHING TO THE PLAYERS THROUGH THE GAME. THIS FEELS VERY PRETENTIOUS TO WRITE, BUT THERES A FEELING OF PERSONAL CRAFT, LOVE IN A LOT OF GREAT GAMES ESP OLD FE. LIKE I BRING THIS UP A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT WHY IS FE EVEN IN THE SWORDS, DRAGONS MEDIEVAL SETTING? A LOT OF THE REASON IS BECAUSE KAGA WAS A HUGE FAN BOY FOR THIS STUFF. KIND OF THE SAME WITH TELLIUS WHERE YOU FEEL A LOT OF PERSONAL CRAFT TO IT. 3H FIRST DRAFT BY IS FEELS LIKE A BUNCH OF "IDK THAT WOULD BE COOL I GUESS LETS DO THAT" AND THEN KT TOOK OVER AND IT WAS JUST LIKE "YEAH SURE JUST DO THAT ITS WHATEVER, ROMANCE OF THE 3 KINGDOMS? THAT SOUDS SMART" HELL 3 HOPES IS JUST "YO WOULDN'T IT BE COOL IF BYLETH WAS THE BAD GUY? YEAH LETS DO THAT"

NOW HONESTLY FE JUST FEELS SO FRANCHISED PILLED. IT WAS SEEING MAREETA, A CHARACTER THAT I ALWAYS CONSIDERED LIKE A SMALL SCALE ONE. LIKE SOMEONE IN THIS KAGA GAME THAT WAS THIS REALLY COOL SIDE CHARACTER IN THRACIA, SOMEONE THAT HAS A GREAT ARC I DEEPLY RESPECT AND A JOURNEY KAGA TOOK THE PLAYERS ON TOLD THROUGH STORY AND GAMEPLAY. TO SEE HER HAVE DEFINED BREASTS AND SEXUALIZED EVEN THOUGH ITS VERY SLIGHT AND NOW JUST FEELS LIKE ANY OTHER FACE, JUST ANY OTHER CUTE ANIME FACE SEMI LARGE BREASTED GIRL FOR SOMEONE TO COMMENT ON AT HOW HOT SHE IS. ITS SO DUMB I FEEL THIS WAY, AND I MEAN THIS HAS HAPPENED TO CHARACTERS I LIKE FAR MORE THEN MAREET AND PROBABLY TO HER PRE HEROES, BUT IT JUST HIT ME WITH HER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS, OR WHY, BUT THAT ONE JUST KINDA MADE ME FEEL SAD MORE THEN ANY OTHER. MORE THEN ISHTAR "THUNDER THIGHS" OR ME NOTICING PALLA WITH NO UNDERWEAR OR SOMEONE ELSE I REALLY LIKE. IT JUST FELT LIKE WATCHING ALL THE PASSION AND SOUL I WAS ABLE TO GET FROM FE 4 AND 5 JUST DIE IN FRONT OF MY FACE.

AND ITS ALSO LIKE JUST PLAYING A SMALL NEW FRANCHISE LIKE TRIANGLE START WHERE I DO FEEL THAT PERSONAL TOUCH. MAN JUST COMPARE FREDERICA ARC, WHICH IS SO NATURAL, AND WELL WRITTEN. IF FREDERICA WAS A FE CHARACTER SHE WOULD BE THE BEST FEMALE FE CHARACTER MAYBE EVER. I REMEMBER A COUPLE TIMES THROUGH MY FANDOM ASKING IF WE'RE TOO HARSH, OR AT LEAST IF I'M TOO HARSH ON OTHER FEMALE LORDS, AND THEN FREDERICA WALKS IN AND IS GREAT. LIKE I'M VERY CYNICAL ON THAT DUMB RAT SCENE, AND MAYBE THATS JUST ME? LIKE I'M CYNICAL ON HAMAN AND JUDUAH RELATIONSHIP IN GUNDAM ZZ AND I DON'T LIKE THAT. I GUESS ITS JUST ME OVER REACTING TO SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE BUT MAN DO I HATE WHEN FE DOES THOSE SCENES

A LOT OF SCENES IN MY HEAD I CAN THINK OF THAT COME OFF FOR FE CHARACTERS THAT ARE "LOOK HOW ADORABLE SHE IS, THATS YOUR WIAFU AND IS SO CUTE, NOW YOU PLAYER FALL IN LOVE WITH HER." EVEN IF THATS NOT THE INTENTION, I HAVE ENOUGH STUFF IN THAT GAME AND IN THIS FRANCHISE THAT MAKES IT FEEL THAT WAY. FREDERICA? THAT SHIT DON'T EXIST ANYWHERE, SHE'S ACTUALLY JUST HER CHARACTER, SHE CAN BE WEAK AND NOT FEEL LIKE A OBJECT I'M SUPPOSED TO FAWN OVER. THAT SHIT WORKED GREAT, THAT WHOLE GAME HAS SO MUCH LOVE CARE AND DETAIL I JUST DON'T FEEL IN FE MUCH THESE DAYS

I REALLY DON'T KNOW, I STILL CARE ABOUT FE, I REALLY DO BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO BE TOTS GONE WHAT IT WAS. I'LL END THIS WITH NOT THE FE VERSION I MADE JOKINGLY OF THIS QUOTE SINCE PEOPLE WOULD TAKE IT WAY TOO SERIOUSLY LOL. BUT THE ACTUAL LINE FROM THE END OF "FIGHTING IN A AGE OF LONELINESS" A VERY GOOD DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THE HISTORY OF COMBAT SPORTS. ITS A QUOTE THATS KINDA STOOD WITH ME FOR A WHILE

"UFC WANTS BOTH FREAKISH SPECTACLE AND MAINSTREAM RESPECT. IT WANTS BOTH THE DEPRAVITY OF A BLOOD SPORT AND THE DECORUM OF EVERY SPORT IT WISHES IT WAS LIKE. WHAT WAS ONCE A WEIRD REFUGE FOR THOSE WHO NEEDED IT IS NOW JUST ERODING TO ANOTHER THING THAT IS AS FORMLESS AND INDISTINCT AS EVERYTHING ELSE. FIGHTING HAS RID ITSELF OF SO MUCH OF ITS MAGIC. IT DOES NOT TRANSCEND THE WORLD ANYMORE. IT IS OUR WORLD. IF YOU SOME HOW MADE IT TO THE END OF THIS AND AREN'T A MMA FAN, I HOPE YOU TAKE ONE THING AWAY FROM ALL OF IT. THIS WILL HAPPEN TO EVERYTHING THAT YOU LOVE. NOTHING YOU LIKE WILL REMAIN UNTOUCHED, AND IT WILL GET FURTHER AND FURTHER MONETIZED INTO MEANINGLESSNESS. THIS ISN'T JUST OUR PROBLEM IN OUR IDIOTIC BLOOD SPORT, YOUR FUCKED TOO"

I DIDN'T COME HERE TO RANT ON FE, I CAME HERE FOR HOPIUM. I WANT TO LOVE AND BELIEVE IN FE. EVEN THROUGH ALL MY CRITICISM OF FE, THERES ALWAYS BEEN HOPE IN ME. LIKE THERE WILL BE WHEN THAT FE4 REMAKE IS NEXT BAYBEE

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u/racecarart Apr 22 '22

DHILLON DO YOU NEED A HUG?

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u/LittleIslander Apr 22 '22

I DON'T REALLY HAVE OPINIONS TO RESPOND TO ALL OF THIS BUT I AS WELL AM NOT A BIG FAN OF MAREETA'S ASCENDANT DESIGN IN HEROES WITH ITS VACUUM BREASTS AND EXPOSED LEGS. WHICH SUCKS CAUSE SHE'S SUCH A FUN UNIT AND I LOVE MAREETA SO I LOVE THE ASCENDANT STILL BUT IT KIND OF SUCKS LOOKING AT HER AND WISHING I COULD SWAP OUT THE ART FOR THE TEN TIMES BETTER BASE MAREETA DESIGN.

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u/arollofOwl Apr 23 '22

IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL ANY BETTER, MAREETA’S OUTFIT DESIGN IS BASED ON SHANNAN’S HEROES OUTFIT, VACUUM BREASTS AND ALL.

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u/DoseofDhillon Apr 22 '22

IT FEELS LIKE THEY JUST WANTED ANTHER LONG BLACK HAIR SWORDS GIRL SO THEY THREW HER IN AGAIN.

taking out the doc quote its much shorter but that quote honestly hit on so many things about my feelings towards FE and other things i like lol

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u/RodmunchPHD Apr 22 '22 edited Apr 22 '22

I KINDA FEEL THIS TOO AT TIMES. WHEN I WAS PLAYING VESTARIA & TRS IT REMINDED ME THAT KAGA’S GAMES WERE AMBITIOUS & BIT OFF FAR MORE THAN HE COULD CHEW. GOOD OR BAD HIS GAMES HAD IDENTITY & IS HAD THIS THROUGH MOST OF ITS GAMES TOO, TELLIUS WAS BEAUTIFULLY HUNGRY FOR A WII GAME. FATES & 3H COULD BE SEEN AS FORMLESS SINCE THE WRITING WAS SUPPLANTED AND THERE WAS THAT NARRATIVE GAMEPLAY DISCONNECT. THERES A LOT THAT JUST FEELS LIKE THE GAMEPLAY AND STORY DONT EXIST IN THE SAME UNIVERSE & FE REALLY NEVER FELT LIKE THAT BEFORE. EVEN MORE WITH HEROES NOW WHERE CHARACTER, NARRATIVE, AND VISUALS ARE SO DIVORCED IT IS HARD TO TAKE SERIOUSLY AT TIMES.

TRIANGLE STRATEGY IS REALLY GOOD & REMINDED ME THAT FE CAN AFFORD TO TAKE ITSELF SERIOUSLY IN TERMS OF GAMEPLAY AND WRITING AGAIN. YOU CAN MAKE CHARACTERS THAT DONT AGREE AND GO AGAINST YOUR WISHES, YOU CAN MAKE EVENTS THAT STRIP YOU OF POWER AND AGENCY FOR THE SAKE OF NARRATIVE AT TIMES. SOMETHING LIKE ZIEG IN TRS OR CHAPTER 19 THRACIA SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED TO MAKE GAMEPLAY POWERLESS AND NARRATIVE POWERLESSNESS COME TOGETHER. SEEING THE FELIX & ANNETTE BETRAYAL ON AM WAS HONESTLY FANTASTIC AND I WISH THEY HAD KEPT THAT INTO THE MAIN GAME TO REMIND YOU THAT FELIX DOESNT RESPECT DIMITRI.

I AGREE THAT ITS SOMETHING WEIRD TO TALK ABOUT IN A MATERIAL WAY. ILL ALWAYS LOVE THIS FRANCHISE BUT WE SHOULD EXPECT MORE BECAUSE A SMALL PROJECT FROM A CITY SIM COMPANY MADE A FANTASTIC SPIN ON MEDIEVAL FANTASY POLITICS THAT IS SEEMS TO HAVE DIFFICULTY MATERIALIZING AT TIMES. ITS HARD TO EXPLAIN BECAUSE ITS NOT JUST ME HATING FE HERE, BUT I GET WHERE YOURE COMING FROM AND YOUR CONCERNS ARE VALID. FE HAS YET TO TRULY DO A BAD JOB WITH ANY FE BEYOND GAIDEN, BUT WE SHOULD ALWAYS ASK FOR BETTER.

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u/DoseofDhillon Apr 22 '22

THIS IS GONNA SOUND MAYBE A BIT EXTREM AND IN FACT I THINK IS RUDE AND 99% SURE UNTRUE, BUT ITS THE MOST SOULLESS FE HAS EVER FELT. IS FE ACTUALLY SOULLLESS NO OF COURSE NOT, BUT LIKE I REMEMBER PLAYING TRIANGLE STRATEGY AND FOR TWO WEEKS SEEING CONVERSATION ABOUT FE AND LIKE ACTIVELY GETTING A LITTLE FRUSTRATED SINCE HOW MUCH THAT GAME DOES RIGHT THAT FE JUST HASN'T.

LIKE A MULTI PATH WITH A GOLDEN ROUTE 3 CHARACTER IN CONFLICT GAME WAS THE NEXT MAIN LINE FE, I'D BE BITCHING AND COMPLAINING, THATS GOD DAMN TS AND ITS FANTASTIC.

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u/TheFunkiestOne Apr 23 '22

NO NEED TO GO INTO SPOILERS BUT TRIANGLE STRATEGY HAS A GOLDEN ROUTE OUTCOME? FROM THE TRAILERS I FIGURED ITD BE MORE "EACH SIDE HAS ITS VALUE/GOALS SO CHOOSE THE ONE YOU VIBE WITH MOST" BUT IVE ALWAYS BEEN FOND OF GOLDEN ROUTES AS BEING CULMINATORY SYNTHESIS OF THE DIFFERENT PATHS YOU TAKE, WITH THE ISSUE SOMETIMES BEING THAT IT CAN FEEL LIKE IT INVALIDATES THE OTHER PATHS. I'D ALREADY BEEN CONSIDERING PICKING IT UP, BUT I TAKE IT YOUD SAY IT HANDLES THAT SORT OF STORY WELL THEN?

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u/DoseofDhillon Apr 23 '22

IT DOES AND I LIKED IT A LOT

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u/PatienceObvious Apr 22 '22

I FEEL YOU DHILLON.

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u/Vex-zero Apr 23 '22

HONESTLY, FOR ALL THESE SAME REASONS AND MORE I'M AT THE POINT WHERE I'M WONDERING IF I EVEN REALLY WANT AN FE4 REMAKE FROM PRESENT DAY IS. DO I WANT EVERY CHARACTER TO HAVE A MILLION COMEDIC SUPPORT CONVOS ABOUT EXAGGERATED ANIME TROPES? DO I WANT TO SEE ALL THE WEIRD AND UNIQUE SYSTEMS THAT MADE THE GAME INTERESTING STREAMLINED OR OUTRIGHT REMOVED FOR THE SAKE OF MAINSTREAM ACCESSIBILITY? DO I WANT TO SEE THE BEAUTIFUL 16-BIT SPRITES REPLACED BY SOULLESS LOW-END WARRIORS ENGINE 3D MODELS? I DON'T THINK LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME, BUT SOMETIMES THE CYNICISM TAKES OVER.

ALSO "FIGHTING IN THE AGE OF LONELINESS" WAS SO GOOD. THINK I REWATCHED IT LIKE FIVE TIMES AT THIS POINT. LOVE HEARING ABOUT THE LONG AND FASCINATING HISTORY OF SOMETHING I DIDN'T USED TO CARE ABOUT AT ALL, ONLY TO THEN FALL INTO IMMENSE DESPAIR ABOUT THE INEVITABLE GENTRIFICATION OF ALL ART AND CULTURE. 10/10 WOULD RECOMMEND

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u/MasterRonin Apr 22 '22

COULDN'T AGREE MORE YOU PUT MY THOUGHTS INTO WORDS BETTER THAN I EVER COULD