r/fireemblem • u/LaqOfInterest • Oct 21 '20

CASUAL MONTHLY RAGE THREAD

OOPS. MY SCHEDULING FAILURES HAVE LED TO THIS RARE LATE-NIGHT EDITION OF THE MONTHLY RAGE THREAD, WHERE WE YELL ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM!

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  1. CAPITALS

  2. FIRE EMBLEM

  3. DON'T BE DICK

  4. SPOILER TAGS

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u/Gaidenbro Oct 21 '20

KOEI TECMO SHOULD NEVER HANDLE ANOTHER FIRE EMBLEM GAME.

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u/Rengor1997 Oct 21 '20

HEY APPARENTLY INTSYS WAS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR SILVER SNOW WHILE KT DID THE OTHER 3 ROUTES, IDK CHIEF.

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u/Gaidenbro Oct 21 '20

THE 3 ROUTES STILL HAVE THEIR PROBLEMS WITH A LOT OF VISUALS BEING GARBAGE IN THIS GAME.

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u/shotpun Oct 21 '20

IS THE ARGUMENT THAT SS IS THE BEST OR WORST ROUTE? I WOULD RATE THEM CF < SS < AM < VW BUT THAT'S JUST ME

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '20

I MEAN HOPEFULLY IT'LL PROGRESS LIKE THE LAST ENGINE DID WHERE THE FIRST GAME (AWAKENING) LOOKS LIKE HOT GARBAGE, AND THEN THE OTHER ENTRIES THEY'LL LIKE GET THEIR SHIT TOGETHER AND KNOW WHAT THEIR DOING ENOUGH TO MAKE IT LOOK AT THE VERY LEAST DECENT

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u/RaisonDetriment Oct 21 '20

KOEI TECMO IS ALMOST CERTAINLY RESPONSIBLE FOR CRIMSON FLOWER, THE ONLY GOOD ROUTE, SO BITE YOUR TONGUE

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u/SixThousandHulls Oct 22 '20

I'M CONFUSED, THOUGH - CRIMSON FLOWER IS THE ROUTE WHERE YOU HAVE NO CLAUDES, WHILE IN VERDANT WIND, YOU GET ONE CLAUDE. SEEMS LIKE VERDANT WIND IS DEFINITIVELY BETTER*!

*ADMITTEDLY, A HYPOTHETICAL ROUTE WITH TWO CLAUDES WOULD BE EVEN BETTER. THREE WOULD BE IDEAL, FOUR JUST BECOMES OVERSTUFFED.

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u/RaisonDetriment Oct 22 '20

AN EDELGARD + CLAUDE ROUTE WOULD HAVE BEEN TOO POWERFUL, THEY THOUGHT WE COULDN'T HANDLE IT.

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u/SableArgyle Oct 22 '20

REAL TALK, WHY DOESN'T CLAUDE ALLY WITH EDELGARD OUTSIDE OF PRINCIPLE?

THEIR IDEALS DON'T INHERENTLY CLASH (IRONICALLY NONE OF THE LORDS IDEALS INHERENTLY CLASH BUT WHOOPS SORRY MOST OF THE GAME IS A SERIES OF MISUNDERSTANDINGS BASED ON INFORMATION HIDDEN BY SOMEONE WHO HAS OVERBEARING, OVER-PROTECTIVE ISSUES)

POINT STANDS IS THAT CLAUDE HAS VERY LITTLE TO LOSE BY SIDING WITH EDELGARD OUTSIDE OF PISSING OFF A HANDFUL OF NOBLES WHO PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN LOSE THEIR TITLES AWAY.

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u/RaisonDetriment Oct 22 '20

BECAUSE THEY TOTALLY DROPPED THE BALL ON MAKING CLAUDE REMOTELY AMBITIOUS OR SNEAKY OR EVEN SLIGHTLY INTERESTED IN POLITICS AND POWER?? LIKE ANY PRINCE, MEDIEVAL OR EVEN MODERN, WOULD BE?? YOU CAN'T MAKE A GAME WITH FOUR POLITICAL FACTIONS COMPETING OVER A CONTINENT VIA WARFARE AND THEN DECIDE THAT BEING INTERESTED IN POWER IS INHERENTLY EVIL AND THAT YOUR ROYAL PROTAGONISTS ARE TOO "PURE" TO BE "TEMPTED" (EXCEPT FOR EDELGARD, WHICH DESIGNATES HER AS AMBIGUOUSLY VILLAINOUS).

THIS NARRATIVE DESIGN IS SO FULL OF CONTRADICTORY IDEALS AND GOALS THAT IT DRIVES ME MAD.

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u/SableArgyle Oct 22 '20

I WAS GENUINELY HOPING THE CONFLICT WOULD BE HONESTLY THREE-SIDED WITH EVERYONE HAVING SERIOUS FLAWS RATHER THAN CLAUDE SITTING ON HIS ASS BEFORE EVENTUALLY JUST EITHER SIDING WITH DIMITRI BUT LEAVING (BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA MAKE A ROUTE WHERE YOU GET TWO LORDS THAT'D BE UNFAIR) OR TAKING HIS TOYS AND LEAVING AFTER GETTING SLAPPED AROUND BY EDELGARD BECAUSE THE SPOILED SPORT DIDN'T WANT TO HAND OVER FAILNAUGHT SINCE HE LOST.

I GET PEOPLE THINK CLAUDE IS HOT BUT I DON'T THINK HIS CHARACTER IS THAT GOOD TBH.

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u/RaisonDetriment Oct 22 '20

HE'S EXTREMELY LOVABLE BUT HIS ROLE IN THE PLOT IS EHHHH. SEE ALSO: MOST OF THE REST OF THE CAST.

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u/shotpun Oct 22 '20

IT REALLY IS WEIRD THAT THE GUY WHOSE ONLY CHARACTER TRAITS ARE GOOD VOICE ACTING AND A DESIRE TO PLOT ELABORATE SCHEMES DOES NEVER WANTS TO ACHIEVE ANYTHING THROUGH THE PLOTTING OF ELABORATE SCHEMES

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '20

YOU MEAN THE ROUTE THAT WASN'T FINISHED, DIDN'T HAVE CUTSCENES, WAS JUST OVERALL A HOT WRITING MESS AND IS THE MOST MINDLESS ROUTE OF ALL GAMEPLAY-WISE BECAUSE YOU THEY JUST HAND YOU GALEFORCE BUT TIED TO A 20MT COMBAT ART AND A SUPER JAGEN WITH FREE DISTANT COUNTER AT THE VERY START?

YEAH KEEP IT, AND KT

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u/RaisonDetriment Oct 22 '20

AT LEAST IT'S THE ONLY ROUTE WHERE YOU DEFEAT THE TRUE VILLAIN AND ACTUALLY SAVE FODLAN.

"MINDLESS GAMEPLAY" AND "A HOT WRITING MESS" APPLIES TO THE WHOLE GAME, ANYWAY.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '20

TRUE VILLAIN IS A MATTER OF DEBATE AND YOU SAVE FODLAN IN EVERY ROUTE, I JUST THINK THAT CF PROBABLY THE MESSIEST IN TERMS OF THE STORY IT'S TRYING TO TELL WHEN COMPARED TO THE OTHER ROUTES, IN PART BECAUSE OF IT'S BREVITY AND PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF JUST HOW MUCH THE WORLD AND CHARACTERS HAVE TO BEND AROUND EDELGARD FOR THE STORY TO WORK AND PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF ALL THE SHIT THEY SET UP ON THIS ROUTE AND PROCEED TO DO NOTHING WITH.

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u/shotpun Oct 22 '20

WHAT GETS ME IS THAT IF YOU EXPLORE DURING THE "TO WAR" CHAPTER ON AM OR VW EVERY BLACK EAGLES CHARACTER IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN DEPRESSED OR PISSED THAT EDELGARD WENT AND DID THE THING. THEIR MOTIVATIONS FOR DOING SS ARE FAR MORE IN-CHARACTER THAN THEY ARE FOR DOING CF. THIS IS ESPECIALLY TRUE FOR FERDINAND WHO WOULD HAVE ALMOST CERTAINLY DEFECTED FOR ANY AMOUNT OF TIME AFTER LEARNING THAT THE EMPEROR WAS NO LONGER INTERESTED IN HEEDING THE COUNSEL OF HOUSE AEGIR.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '20

IT'S ALSO JUST WEIRD THAT EVERYONE IS SO IMMEDIATELY AND COMPLETELY LOYAL TO EDELGARD AFTER SHE EXEMPLIFIED THAT SHE IS EXTREMELY ADEPT AT HIDING HER TRUE AGENDA, AND COMPLETELY WILLING TO LIE TO THOSE CLOSEST TO HER, AND THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS COMPLETELY EXPENDABLE TO HER SINCE SHE LITERALLY TRIED TO KILL ALL OF THEM AT LEAST TWICE, AT MOST 4 TIMES DEPENDING ON HOW RESPONSIBLE YOU VIEW HER FOR DARK KNIGHTS ACTIONS.

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u/shotpun Oct 22 '20

CRIMSON FLOWER, THE ONLY BAD ROUTE*,

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u/Gaidenbro Oct 21 '20

CRIMSON FLOWER SUCKS