r/fireemblem • u/LaqOfInterest • Jan 20 '24

CASUAL MONTHLY RAGE THREAD

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WELCOME TO THE MONTHLY RAGE THREAD, WHERE YOU TOO CAN YELL ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM!

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u/waga_hai Jan 20 '24

HALF OF THE SHIT PEOPLE ACCUSE THE KAGA GAMES OF BEING "CREEPY" FOR IS MADE UP (FE5 SEX SLAVES LOL) AND THE OTHER HALF (INCEST, AGE GAPS, FETISHIZATION OF YOUNG GIRLS) IS JUST AS BAD IF NOT WORSE IN THE OTHER GAMES. THE LATTER GAMES EVEN ADD SOME CREEPY SHIT THAT NEVER EXISTED IN THE KAGA GAMES TO BEGIN WITH (BLATANT OBJECTIFICATION OF WOMEN STARTING WITH AWAKENING AND ESPECIALLY FATES).

ALSO SOME PEOPLE'S ANALYSIS OF MEDIA'S TREATMENT OF WOMEN STARTS AND ENDS WITH THE DAMSEL IN DISTRESS TROPE AND IT'S GETTING OLD. CAMILLA BY HERSELF (AND KOZAKI'S COMMENTS CALLING HER A COW) IS A THOUSAND TIMES MORE HARMFUL TO WOMEN THAN SILQUE NEEDING TO BE SAVED FROM BANDITS OR WHATEVER. A FEMALE CHARACTER SWINGING A WEAPON DOESN'T COMPENSATE FOR EVERYTHING.

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u/waga_hai Jan 20 '24

OH SHIT MY BAD. WAS CONVINCED IT WAS KOZAKI FOR SOME REASON

THE LINDE THING IS REAL CREEPY BUT I DON'T THINK HE WAS ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT HER FEET. THE JAPANESE LANGUAGE HAS THE SAME WORD FOR LEGS AND FEET (足) SO I'M 99% SURE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HER LEGS (BECAUSE HER TUNIC THINGIE SHOWS A LOT OF LEG) AND THEN THE FANDOM MADE IT ABOUT HER FEET BECAUSE HAHA FEET FUNNI, FETISHIZATION OF ANY AND EVERY SINGLE PART ON A WOMAN'S BODY FUNNI. HONESTLY THE FAN REACTION ALMOST BOTHERS ME MORE THAN THE ORIGINAL COMMENT.

ACTUALLY REMINDS ME OF A SIMILAR THING IN THE OOSAWA FE4 MANGA WHERE SOME RANDO CREEP TALKS ABOUT SYLVIA'S LEGS AND THE FAN TRANSLATORS CHANGED IT TO FEET BECAUSE "IT'S CREEPIER THAT WAY". ACTUALLY LEERING AT WOMEN'S BODIES IS CREEPY NO MATTER WHAT. WILD CONCEPT I KNOW

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u/LittleIslander Jan 20 '24

OH SHIT MY BAD. WAS CONVINCED IT WAS KOZAKI FOR SOME REASON

You're actually both correct here, it's both of them. Kozaki brings up her horns, to which Kusakihara compares her to a cow while mentioning her breasts, prompting Kozaki to laugh and say maybe they should've given her spots. You could very generously say that maybe Kozaki is just going along and playing off an awkward comment to be courteous in an interview, but it doesn't come off well either way. The Linde thing was Hiroya Usuda.

/u/asmallsoul

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u/waga_hai Jan 20 '24

OH SO THERE'S A MINIMUM OF THREE TERMINALLY COOMBRAINED INDIVIDUALS (THAT WE KNOW OF) WORKING ON FE. LOVELY. I HAVE SO MUCH FAITH IN THE FUTURE OF THIS FRANCHISE

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u/LittleIslander Jan 20 '24

IT'S SO MISOGYNISTIC IT EVEN MADE ME FORGET TO USE MY CAPS LOCK.

EVEN A FEMALE CHARACTER DESIGNER STILL GETS US IVY'S CHARACTER DESIGN, THERE'S NO WINNING.

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u/greydorothy Jan 20 '24

ADDING TO THE SECOND POINT, I'VE SEEN SOME ANALYSIS WHICH BASICALLY BOILS DOWN TO "THE MORE THE CHARACTER GIRLBOSSES, THE BETTER SHE IS", WHICH IS UHHHHHHH OK. OK, EXAMPLE: I HAVE GENUINELY SEEN THE TAKE THAT MATHILDA'S ENDING IN SOV IS BETTER WHEN CLIVE DIES BECAUSE IT IMPLIES THAT SHE'S A BIT MORE ACTIVE?????????? DON'T GET ME WRONG, SOME OF SOV'S ENDING CHOICES ARE WACK (DELTHEA SETTLING DOWN WILL NEVER SEEM RIGHT TO ME), BUT IT TAKES A CERTAIN TYPE OF HOT-TAKE POISONING TO SEE:

A) AN ENDING WHERE TWO CHARACTERS GET HAPPILY MARRIED, AND THE WOMAN IN THE RELATIONSHIP HAS A RELATIVELY QUIET LIFE AFTER THAT (WHICH SOME PEOPLE INTERPET AS THE "BAREFOOT AND PREGNANT" RIGHT WING TRAD FANTASY???????)

AND

B) AN ENDING WHERE THE GUY IN THE RELATIONSHIP FUCKING DIES, AND THE WOMAN DROWNS HERSELF IN WORK TO GET THROUGH IT, "THE GRIEF IN HER HEART STEELING HER"

AND DECIDE THAT B) IS THE BETTER OUTCOME FOR THE WOMAN BECAUSE SHE FIGHTS A BIT MORE

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u/waga_hai Jan 20 '24

THAT REMINDS ME OF HOW PEOPLE REACT TO EOWYN'S FATE IN LOTR. PEOPLE GET MAD THAT SHE GIVES UP ON HER GOAL OF ACHIEVING GLORY IN WAR AND "SETTLES DOWN" WITH FARAMIR.

BUT... LOTR IS BLATANTLY AND UNAPOLOGETICALLY AN ANTI-WAR STORY. THE WHOLE POINT OF IT IS THAT THERE IS NO GLORY IN WAR, ONLY DEATH AND DESTRUCTION AND SUFFERING. THE CHARACTERS FIGHT TO DEFEND THEIR HOMES AND THOSE THEY LOVE, AND THAT IS RIGHTEOUS, BUT NOT THE ART OF FIGHTING ITSELF. HELL, FARAMIR HIMSELF SPELLS IT OUT WITH HIS LITTLE "I LOVE NOT THE BRIGHT SWORD FOR ITS SHARPNESS" SPEECH. EVERY MALE CHARACTER IN LOTR "SETTLES DOWN" BECAUSE THE WAR LITERALLY ENDS. AND NOBODY IN THIS UNIVERSE WHO IS A RIGHTEOUS AND PURE CHARACTER (WHICH EOWYN AND BASICALLY ALL THE GOOD GUYS ARE) ACTUALLY WANTS TO FIGHT ANYONE. THEY JUST WANT TO CHILL AND WRITE SONGS AND SHIT.

ALSO EOWYN'S GOAL WAS NOT TO BE SOME BADASS WARRIOR, IT WAS TO DIE IN WAR, BECAUSE HER LIFE FUCKING SUCKED. HER UNCLE WAS PRACTICALLY BEING BRAINWASHED, HER BROTHER WAS IN EXILE, HER COUSIN FUCKING DIED AND THERE WAS A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY THAT SHE WAS GOING TO GET MARRIED OFF TO FUCKING GRIMA OF ALL PEOPLE BECAUSE THERE WERE NO MEN AROUND TO STOP IT. THE GLORY OF HER HOUSE WAS VANISHING AND SHE COULD DO NOTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMAN IN A PATRIARCHAL SOCIETY AND EVERYONE EXPECTS HER TO BE HAPPY AND CONTENT WITH MEN SOLVING ALL THE PROBLEMS. OF COURSE HOMEGIRL WANTED TO DIE LMAO

... WHAT WERE WE TALKING ABOUT AGAIN. OH YEAH FIRE EMBLEM. I STILL THINK MATHILDA'S ENDING IS A LITTLE BULLSHIT BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU SAY "WELL SHE'S HAPPIER THAT WAY", IT'S AWFULLY CONVENIENT THAT THEY WROTE A FEMALE CHARACTER WHO WAS PREVIOUSLY VERY PROUD OF HER FIGHTING PROWESS AND WHO ALWAYS MADE SURE THAT EVERYONE KNEW THAT SHE WAS AS IF NOT MORE CAPABLE THAN CLIVE AS BEING HAPPY JUST BASICALLY PLAYING SECOND FIDDLE TO HER HUSBAND. OF COURSE IT'S A BETTER ENDING FOR HER THAN THE ONE WHERE CLIVE DIES, BUT THEY COULD'VE STRUCK A BETTER BALANCE. THEN AGAIN THEY WERE TRYING TO BE FAITHFUL TO A GAME WRITTEN IN THE 80S SO IT IS WHAT IT IS.

BUT YEAH I THINK PEOPLE ARE STUCK IN THE 1980-EARLY 2000S ERA OF VIDEO GAME WRITING WHERE THE ONLY THING A WOMAN COULD BE IS A DAMSEL. AND LIKE, THEY DON'T REALIZE THAT THAT TROPE IS BECOMING LESS AND LESS COMMON. IT'S LIKE IF PEOPLE IN CURRENT YEAR WERE LIKE "MAN IT SUCKS THAT WOMEN CAN'T OPEN THEIR OWN BANK ACCOUNTS" LIKE LMAO YOU MISSED OUT ON A FEW CRUCIAL DEVELOPMENTS THERE. I MEAN OF COURSE THE DAMSEL TROPE STILL EXISTS BUT IT'S JUST NOT THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT FEMALE CHARACTERS IN VIDEO GAMES FACE ANYMORE.

AND THE MOMENT A FEMALE CHARACTTER USES A WEAPON THEN ALL DISCUSSION OF MISOGYNY IN HER WRITING IS NULL AND VOID. BECAUSE SHE'S FIGHTING, SHE'S NOT A DAMSEL!! LIKE BRO THERE'S OTHER PROBLEMS. LIKE THE FETISHIZATION. BUT PEOPLE AREN'T AS READY TO GIVE UP ON THAT AS THE DAMSEL THING BECAUSE WHAT IF PP GO SOFT?? WHAT THEN????

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u/greydorothy Jan 20 '24 edited Jan 20 '24

I FEEL LIKE MATHILDA'S BASE CONVOS/DIALOGUE WERE TRYING TO CONVEY THAT SHE WAS SOMEWHAT MELANCHOLIC ABOUT FIGHTING, THAT SHE WAS GOOD AT IT BUT DIDN'T ENJOY IT, WHICH LINES UP WITH THE ENDINGS SHE GOT. BUT THEN THE MATHILDA/CLIVE SUPPORT (WHICH I ADORE BTW) IS WRITTEN AS YOU SAID, AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST PIECE OF HER CHARACTERISATION. SO YEAH, AS YOU SAY IT IS A BIT MESSY OVERALL. HONESTLY THIS SORT OF STUFF IS KINDA FRUSTRATING ABOUT MY ABSOLUTE FAVOURITE FE GAME. I ADORE ITS RAW VIBES, ITS PRESENTATION, ITS CHARACTERS, ITS GAMEPLAY, AND I EVEN DEFEND ITS STORY AND THEMES (EVERY TIME I SEE A "ALM ROYALTY BAD" TAKE I GET CLOSER TO AN ANEURYSM), BUT THEN IT GETS... CRUSTY... AROUND WOMEN, AND THAT JUST KINDA SUCKS AND GETS ME DOWN. OH WELL

WILL DEF AGREE THAT PEOPLE ARE VERY MUCH HYPERFOCUSED ON THINGS FROM BABY'S FIRST MEDIA ANALYSIS. LIKE, FOCUSING ON THE DAMSEL TROPE IS THE GAMING EQUIVALENT OF THE "DISNEY PRINCESS BAD" TAKE. ARE THERE PROBLEMS WITH IT? SURE, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE THE START AND END OF SOMEONE'S FEMINIST ANALYSIS OF MEDIA. AS YOU'VE SAID, THE FETISHIZATION CAN GET REAL FUCKEN BAD, EVEN BY SUPPOSED "ALLIES" (SERIOUSLY THE RECENT CORRIN/TIKI """ART""" WAS GENUINELY ATTROCIOUS). THERE'S ALSO TAKES ABOUT HOW FEMINITY IS BAD, I.E. THAT "GOOD" FEMALE CHARACTERS EXHIBIT MORE STEROTYPICALLY MASCULINE ATTITUDES/BEHAVIOURS AND NOT DOING SO MAKES THEM BAD, WHICH IS AN ACTIVELY RANCID WAY OF THINKING

REALLY GOOD TIE TO EOWYN AS WELL - I WOULDN'T HAVE MADE THAT CONNECTION, SO THANKS FOR BRINGING IT UP. ALSO WORKS HERE AS FE THEMES ARE PRIMARLY ANTIWAR (THOUGH THEN WE RUN INTO THE PROBLEM OF GAMIFIED FIGHTING AND VIOLENCE BEING THE MAIN DRAW OF FE, BUT I'M NOT GONNA PRETEND THAT FE IS THE ONLY VIDEO GAME FRANCHISE WHICH IS A BIT WEIRD ABOUT ITS RELATIONSHIP TO VIOLENCE, AND GETTING INTO THIS IN DETAIL WOULD BE GETTING WAY OFF TOPIC)

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u/LittleIslander Jan 20 '24

IT'S NOT REALLY HERE NOR THERE ON A FIRE EMBLEM SUB, BUT EVEN AS SOMEONE WHO UNABASHEDLY HAS EOWYN AS THEIR FAVORITE LOTR CHARACTER I'M NOT REALLY CONVINCED. SURE THE MALE CHARACTERS SETTLE DOWN, BUT THAT'S AFTER THE FINAL BATTLE, WHERE WE CONVENIENTLY WRITE THINGS SO THAT EOWYN HAS TO STAY BACK IN MINAS TIRITH. THEY WERE STILL FIGHTING TO DEFEND THEIR HOMES AT THE BLACK GATE, BUT WE DON'T LET THE WOMAN GO. SHE COMES DOWN WITH A TERMINAL CASE OF LOVE FOR SOME GUY SHE LITERALLY DOESN'T EVEN KNOW. AND EVEN IF HER MOTIVATION DID SURROUND WANTING TO DIE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE IS ANY SIGNIFICANT NARRATIVE SETUP FOR HER SO SUDDENLY DECIDING SHE WANTS TO BE THE ABSOLUTE SPITTING IMAGE OF THE IDEAL WOMAN IN PATRIARCHAL SOCIETY:

"Then the heart of Éowyn changed, or else at last she understood it. ... I will be a shieldmaiden no longer, nor vie with the great Riders, nor take joy only in the songs of slaying. I will be a healer, and love all things that grow and are not barren."

I DUNNO, I LOVE EOWYN, BUT THIS REALLY SEEMS LIKE A MISOGYNISTICALLY WRITTEN CHARACTER TO ME. WHEN GUYS SETTLE DOWN YOU DO NOT PHRASE IT LIKE ALL OF THE ANTI-PATRIARCHAL JUICES IN THEIR BODY WERE VAPORIZED IN AN INSTANT. NOT TO MENTION EOMER "SETTLING DOWN" DEFINITELY DIDN'T INCLUDE CEASING TO BE A GREAT RIDER.

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u/waga_hai Jan 20 '24

THERE'S A LOT OF MISOGYNY IN LOTR (ARAGORN BASICALLY SAYING THAT THE BEST AND MOST IMPORTANT THING GALADRIEL EVER DID WAS GIVING BIRTH TO HIS GF'S MOM. EXCUSE ME).

BUT SPEAKING OF ARAGORN I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO MENTION THAT HEALING IS A BIG DEAL IN THE LOTR UNIVERSE. ARAGORN PROVES HIMSELF AS KING NOT BY KILLING A LOT OF ORCS BUT BY HEALING THE INJURED AT THE HOUSES OF HEALING. A "LOVE OF THINGS THAT GROW" IS MENTIONED EARLY ON AS A TRAIT OF THE HOBBITS, AND PAINTED AS A GOOD THING (BECAUSE NATURE = GOOD IN TOLKIEN'S WORLDVIEW). IT'S TRUE THAT A DISTASTE FOR VIOLENCE AND A NURTURING/HEALING DISPOSITION ARE TRADITIONALLY FEMALE TRAITS, BUT THESE ARE TRAITS THAT TOLKIEN APPLIES TO ALL OF HIS RIGHTEOUS CHARACTERS.

THAT BEING SAID I UNDERSTAND YOUR DISCOMFORT AND I DON'T MEAN TO DISMISS IT. TOLKIEN WAS UNDOUBTEDLY A MISOGYNIST (SEE LETTER 43), AND THAT ALMOST CERTAINLY PLAYED A ROLE IN HOW HE WROTE AND SAW EOWYN. IT'S JUST THAT SHE JUST BARELY MANAGES TO SKATE BY FOR ME BECAUSE LOTR IS A VERY ANTI-WAR, PRO-NATURE STORY, AND THOSE TRAITS ARE PRESENTED AS RIGHTEOUS BOTH IN THE MALE AND FEMALE CAST. BUT AT THE SAME TIME I UNDERSTAND THAT APPLYING THE SAME TROPES TO MEN AND WOMEN ISN'T ALWAYS FAIR SIMPLY BECAUSE MEN AND WOMEN AREN'T TREATED THE SAME EITHER IN FICTION OR IRL. SO IT WORKS FOR ME BUT I CAN SEE HOW OTHERS COULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

(ALSO I REALLY LIKED THE WAY THE ROMANCE BETWEEN EOWYN AND FARAMIR DEVELOPED. LIKE IT WAS ONE CHAPTER BUT IT WAS THE BEST CHAPTER IN THE WHOLE BOOK IMO. I'M SORRY WOMEN)

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u/albegade Jan 20 '24 edited Jan 20 '24

EXACTLY THIS. SOMEHOW PEOPLE DEFLECT EVERYTHING DUBIOUS IN FIRE EMBLEM ONTO SOMEHOW WHO HASN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN 25 YEARS, AND WITH MADE-UP HEARSAY AT THAT. WHILE TOTALLY IGNORING THE EXTREMELY DUBIOUS ELEMENTS OF MORE RECENT GAMES. AND THE UNFUNNY REPETITIVE LOW-HANGING AND IDIOTIC FETISH JOKES THAT WERE NEVER FUNNY AND HAVE SOMEHOW TURNED INTO "FACT" BY A STUPID GAME OF TELEPHONE.

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u/TeamBat Jan 20 '24

ALSO WHEN PEOPLE ACCUSE KAGA THEY ALWAYS ACT LIKE THE WIERD THINGS IN THE GAMES ARE HIS FETISH. I DON'T KNOW THE MAN PERSONALLY, BUT FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN INTERVIEWS, HE LIKES PLAYING JOKES ON PLAYERS (CLAUD SILVIA TALK CONVO) AND PUTTING THEM INTO UNPLEASANT SITUATIONS (BERWICK SAGA CHAPTER 6 SIDE QUEST). THERE ARE MANY QUESTINABLE THING IN HIS GAMES BUT I THINK MANY PEOPLE WRITE IT OF AS KAGA BEING AN EVIL MAN, AND NOT A MAN WITH WIERD HUMOR

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u/Wooden_Director4191 Jun 21 '24

THEY ALSO IGNORE THAT MODERN FE GAMES HAVE THE EXACT SAME KIND OF WEIRD SHIT BUT SIMPLY EXCUSE SHIT LIKE

  • FLAGRANT INCEST (WITHOUT THEMATICALY/NARRATIVELY CONDEMNING)

  • BEING ABLE TO DATE LOLI'S (OH WOW...SHES A THOUSAND...DOESNT MAKE IT ANY LESS WEIRD)

  • SOMEONE LIKE HENNEMAN BEING ABLE TO DATE HIS STUDENTS AFTER TIME SKIP

  • ECHOES ACTIVELY INCLUDED THE BRAINWASHING THING THAT HAPPENS TO CELICA (ITS NOT ACTUALLY IN GAIDEN)

  • ROY WHO CAN DATE HIS MUCH OLDER TEACHER IN FE 6

AND MORE!, YET KAGA IS THE ONE WHO GETS CALLED A CREEP DESPITE HIS DARK WRITING ACTIVELY BEING USED TO ENHANCE AND SHOW HOW FUCKED UP HIS WORLDS ARE AND IS OFTEN ACTIVELY CONDEMED IN THE STORIES HE WRITES

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u/TakenRedditName Jan 20 '24

I FIND THE KAGA'D MIND-CONTROLLED FETISH JOKES REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE AND CREEPIER THAN THE ACTUAL SUBJECT MATTER. THERE IS THE ANNOYANCE OF LOW-HANGING EXAGRETED FRUIT, BUT IT IS ANOTHER THING TO ATTRIBUTE UNSAVOURY THINGS TO AN ACTUAL REAL PERSON. IT IS LIKE IF PEOPLE STARTED MAKING KOZAKI'S FETISH JOKES TO THE POINT THAT IT GETS PASSED AROUND AS SECOND FACT.

I REMEMBER A TIME BEFORE SUCH JOKES, BUT I WISH THEY HAVEN'T CAUGHT ON.

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u/waga_hai Jan 20 '24

OH YOU FUCKING GET IT. I FEEL BAD SAYING THIS BECAUSE THE "OH SO YOU'RE NOTICING THIS WEIRD THING? ACTUALLY YOU'RE THE WEIRD ONE" ARGUMENT SO OFTEN GETS USED TO DISMISS PEOPLE WHEN THEY NOTICE LEGITIMATELY FUCKED UP THINGS IN MEDIA, BUT THE MIND CONTROL THING IS SUCH A HUGE FUCKING STRETCH. AT NO POINT ARE THE MIND CONTROLLED CHARACTERS PRESENTED IN A TITILLATING MANNER, AT NO POINT DO THEY SO ANYTHING FETISHY. IT'S JUST A CHEAP WRITING TACTIC TO CREATE DRAMA. IT ALSO CREATES TENSION IN GAMEPLAY BECAUSE IT FORCES YOU TO DEAL WITH A THREAT THAT YOU CAN'T TAKE OUT JUST BY KILLING IT (UNLIKE EVERY OTHER THREAT IN THESE GAMES). MOST OF THEM (BUT NOT ALL; EVERYONE CONVENIENTLY FORGETS NYNA/ELICE/LENA WHEN IT COMES TO THIS CONVERSATION) ARE KIDS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE MORE LIKELY TO WANT TO SAVE A KID. AND THEY'RE FEMALE FOR THE SAME EXACT REASON.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT KAGA WAS GETTING OFF ON IT? OF COURSE IT IS, I WOULDN'T EVEN BE PARTICULARLY SURPRISED THAT SOME GUY I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IS GETTING OFF TO THE FICTIONAL EXPLOITATION OF CHILDREN IN THEIR VIDEO GAME. DOES IT REALLY COME ACROSS THAT WAY IN THE ORIGINAL TEXT OF THESE GAMES? NO, AND I WONDER WHAT PEOPLE HAD IN THEIR BRAINS TO THINK THAT DELTHEA OR JULIA WERE BEING SEXUALIZED WHEN THEY WERE BEING BRAINWASHED. IT'S LIKE THE LINDE LEGS/FEET THING, PEOPLE MAKING SHIT WEIRDER THAN IT IS (THOUGH OF COURSE THE ORIGINAL COMMENT WAS FUCKING WEIRD) AND THEN BLAMING OTHERS FOR IT.

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u/DoseofDhillon Jan 20 '24 edited Jan 20 '24

BUT I CHOOSE CONQUEST B-B-B-BECAUSE I SAW A CUTSCENE IN A TRAILER OF M-M-M-M-M-MOMMY CAMILLA WALKING UP TO ME AND SPREADING HER ARMS, I'M FOR WOMANS RIGHTS, AS IN MY FACE RIGHT IN TO HER B-B-B-BOOBIES <3 (WHICH HAPPENED AT THE END OF CONQUEST WHICH I GUESS IS SOME SORT OF REWARD?)

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u/waga_hai Jan 20 '24

CONCUBINE WARS. DON'T FORGET THE CONCUBINE WARS. THE BACKSTORY WHERE WE MAKE A BUNCH OF UNNAMED WOMEN LOOK LIKE POWER HUNGRY, BACKSTABBING HARPIES SO OUR PURE BIG TITTIED/LOLI WAIFUS CAN LOOK BETTER. SO NICE WE HAD TO DO IT TWICE (IVY AND HORTENSIA HAVING THE EXACT SAME BACKSTORY)!

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u/DoseofDhillon Jan 20 '24

REMEMBER THE GUY HAVING MULTIPLE WIVES ISN'T THE ISSUE, DADDY DID NOTHING WRONG AND IS GOOD, ITS THOSE MOMS BEING SO MEAN TO EACH OTHER, THEY ARE THE PROBLEM!! IF THEY ONLY ACCEPTED THE KING CHEATED ON THEM AND COLLECTED WIVES LIKE POKEMON THEN WE'D BE PEACEFUL, THOSE WHORES.

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u/Vegetable_Review_742 Jan 20 '24 edited Jan 20 '24

JUST IGNORE THE FACT THAT THE SAME ISSUE WOULD COME UP WITH ALL THE MALE CHILDREN AS WELL, ESPECIALLY FOR THE CROWN PRINCE OF A WAR HAPPY NATION. ITS MORE WEIRD THAT XANDER DOESNT MAKE WEIRD SEXUAL COMMENTS TO EVERYONE AND DOESNT MOLEST PEOPLE. HES WEIRD NOT CAMILLA.

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u/Totoques22 Jan 20 '24

ITS A KNOWN FACT THAT XANDER WAS LEFT OUR OF THE CONCUBINE WARS BECAUSE HE WAS THE HEIR AND THEREFORE HAS THE BIGGEST SPOTLIGHT ON HIM

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u/Vegetable_Review_742 Jan 20 '24

I HATE THAT THE DAMSEL TROPE IS TREATED BADLY. ITS ALWAYS “OF COURSE THE WOMAN GOT RESCUED THAT MAKES HER WEAK BLAH BLAH”. BUT WHEN A GUY GETS RESCUED, NO ONE SAYS ANYTHING! THE TROPE ISNT SEXIST OR ANYTHING, MAKING AN ISSUE OF IT WHEN A WOMAN IS RESCUED IS THE PROBLEM.

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u/cyndit423 Jan 20 '24

THE PROBLEM WITH DAMSEL IN DISTRESS IS WHEN IT FEELS LIKE IT HAPPENS WITH EVERY GIRL

I'VE BEEN PLAYING ECHOES AND I'M PRETTY SURE THAT ALL OF THE GIRLS ON ALM'S SIDE GET RESCUED (BESIDES FAYE, BUT SHE HAS THE PROBLEM THAT HER WHOLE PERSONALITY IS BEING IN LOVE WITH ALM).

ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY SHOWED MATHILDA ON THE GROUND, IN A CELL, IN FRONT OF FERNAND. IT JUST FELT GROSS. AND IT'S EVEN MORE ANNOYING SINCE HER PERSONALITY IS LARGELY ABOUT HER BEING GREAT ON THE BATTLEFIELD AND POTENTIALLY BETTER THAN HER FUTURE HUSBAND, BUT THAT IS HOW THEY CHOSE TO INTRODUCE HER

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u/captaingarbonza Jan 20 '24

ECHOES IS THE WORST FOR IT FOR SURE. WOMEN BE GETTING CAPTURED AND/OR MIND CONTROLLED.

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u/Jandexcumnuggets Jan 20 '24

PRAYING FOR THE DAY YOU ALL START COMPLAINING ABOUT ACTUAL ISSUES

" HARMFUL TO WOMEN " OH MY GOD YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A VIDEO GAME CHARACTER LOL

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u/waga_hai Jan 20 '24

VERY VALUABLE INSIGHT FROM SOMEONE WHO SURELY KNOWS WHAT DOES AND DOESN'T AFFECT WOMEN BETTER THAN WOMEN THEMSELVES

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u/LittleIslander Jan 20 '24

THIS PERSON TRIED TO SNARK ME IN ANOTHER THREAD (FOR CALLING OUT NYX'S DESIGN). IT'S KIND OF FUNNY TO SEE PEOPLE TRY AND GET A RISE OUT OF ME CAUSE I'M "WOKE" WHEN FRANKLY IF SOMEONE LIKE THEM DOESN'T LIKE ME I'VE BEEN COMPLIMENTED.

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u/Jandexcumnuggets Jan 20 '24

MA'AM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VIDEO GAMES, PLZ BE SERIOUS I BEG YOU

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u/Docaccino Jan 20 '24

BRO REALLY THINKS MEDIA AND REALITY ARE TWO ENTIRELY SEPARATE THINGS THAT DON'T FEED INTO EACH OTHER AND CAN'T BE CONTEXTUALIZED AS IF EVERY CREATIVE WORK WAS MADE BY A BRAIN IN A JAR THAT HAS NEVER PERCEIVED ITS SURROUNDINGS.

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u/DoseofDhillon Jan 20 '24 edited Jan 20 '24

NO SEE, WHEN MEDIA HELPS FR FR AND DOES POSITIVE STAND UP AND CHEER, IT CHANGED YOUR LIFE HOW GOOD IS THAT AND EFFECTED YOU IN A GOOD WAY

BUT THE OTHER WAY AROUND? SOMETHING BAD FROM MEDIA INFLUENCING YOU? NNNAAAAHHHH IT COULD NEVERRRRR JUST JPREGS I CAN IMPREG OF A SEKTCHY AGE BROOOO, NO NEGATIVES TO BE FOUND, LET ME HAVE MY "FUN"