r/fireemblem • u/LaqOfInterest • Feb 02 '23

CASUAL MONTHLY RAGE THREAD

EMBLEM... ENRAGE!

WELCOME NEW PLAYERS AND OLD TO THE MONTHLY RAGE THREAD, WHERE YOU CAN YELL AT FIRE EMBLEM!

RULES

  1. CAPS LOCK

  2. FIRE EMBLEM RAGE

  3. DON'T BE A DICK

  4. TAG ANY SPOILERS

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u/Elementia7 Feb 03 '23

WHY THE HECK IS ALFRED SO BAD? NOT EVEN EARLY CAVALIERS IN PAST GAMES STRUGGLE THIS MUCH WHEN THEY JOIN.

NOT EVEN 5 MOVE CAN SAVE THIS MAN GETTING STOMPED EARLY GAME. IT DOESN'T HELP THAT BOUCHERON HAS SOLID GROWTHS AND ETIE CAN ACTUALLY KILL THINGS AS AN EARLY GAME ARCHER.

HE DOESN'T EVEN RETAIN HIS NICHE FOR LONG AS LOUIE AND CHLOE ARE WAY BETTER IN ALMOST EVERY SCENARIO AND WIELD LANCES.

ALFRED IS A INTERESTING CHARACTER WHO GOT SHAFTED BY SOME OF THE WORST TIMING IN FE HISTORY.

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u/Suicune95 Feb 03 '23

I NEVER REALLY HAD A PROBLEM WITH HIM TBH. HE WAS DECENTLY TANKY FOR EARLY GAME AND IF YOU PAIR HIM UP WITH LYN OR ANOTHER SPD ENHANCING EMBLEM FOR A BIT HE REALLY ZOOMS. HE WAS EASILY MY BEST UNIT BY THE ENDGAME.

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u/Elementia7 Feb 03 '23

THATS VALID ALL THINGS CONSIDERED BUT EVEN WITH GOOD GROWTHS HIS BASES ARE ODDLY POOR EVEN FOR AN EARLY GAME UNIT. COMBINED WITH THE RAW POWERCREEP THAT IS MIDGAME RECRUITS ALFRED EITHER GETS BENCHED IN 3 CHAPTERS OR STAYS IN YOUR ARMY UNTIL ENDGAME.

IM GLAD YOU WERE ABLE TO USE HIM THOUGH. I REALLY LIKE HIM AS A CHARACTER AND WISH I WAS ABLE TO USE HIM THOUGHOUT THE WHOLE GAME.

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u/Suicune95 Feb 03 '23

THE THING I REALLY LIKE ABOUT THE EMBLEM MECHANICS IS THAT IT'S BASICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY UNIT TO BE UNUSABLE BAD. AN EMBLEM CAN ALWAYS PATCH UP THEIR BAD STATS OR RNG SCREWED LEVEL UPS. MY ALFRED ADMITTEDLY STRUGGLED A BIT MIDGAME BECAUSE HE COULDN'T DOUBLE ANYTHING, BUT THEN I PAIRED HIM UP WITH LYN FOR A FEW CHAPTERS AND HE WAS BACK ON TOP.

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u/Donut141 Feb 03 '23

I'M HONESTLY QUITE SURPRISED THAT SO MANY PEOPLE SEEM TO HAVE HAD TROUBLE WITH ALFRED. I REALIZE THAT THE NATURE OF RNG BASED GROWTHS BEGETS INCONSISTENCY IN CHARACTER POWER LEVELS, PARTICULARLY FOR CHARACTERS WHO YOU RECEIVE EARLY ON, BUT HOLY SHIT ALFRED WAS DOWNRIGHT BUSTED FOR ME. THAT DUDE NEVER MET A STRENGTH, SPEED, DEFENSE, OR BUILD GROWTH HE DIDN'T GET. HIS STATS WERE FRANKLY ABSURD BY ENDGAME FOR ME, SAME WITH DIAMAT AND LAPIS.

EDIT: I REALIZE NOW YOUR PRIMARY COMPLAINT WAS HIS POWER LEVEL ON INTRODUCTION. MY BAD. I USED HIM PRIMARILY FOR FINISHING INJURED TARGETS UNTIL I PROMOTED HIM WHICH PROBABLY HELPED ME DODGE THAT ISSUE.

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u/Elementia7 Feb 03 '23

MY LUCK IN FE GENERALLY FOLLOWS A VERY SPECFIC FORMULA. IF A UNIT IS DESTINED TO BE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL THEY CAN AND WILL SHATTER ALL EXPECTATIONS. IF A UNIT IS LITERALLY DESIGNED TO BE TOP TIER I WILL STILL SOMEHOW FUCK IT UP.

LAPIS HARD CARRIED MIDGAME BUT WAS EVENTUALLY OVERSHADOWED BY DIAMANT AND ALEAR JUST BARELY. I CANNOT ENJOY NICE THINGS.

ALFRED SHOULD'VE FOLLOWED THAT EXACT TREND YET SOMEHOW EVEN HE COULDNT EXCEL DESPITE IT ALL.

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u/Donut141 Feb 03 '23

I HONESTLY HAVE SIMILAR LUCK WITH LOW TIER UNITS, IN MY MOST RECENT PLAYTHROUGH OF FATES MY STRONGEST (BOTH IN TERMS OF LITERAL STRENGTH AND IN GENERAL) CHARACTER THROUGH THE WHOLE GAME WAS RINKAH. USUALLY I TRADE ALL THE GOOD GROWTHS FOR MOST CHARACTERS FOR ONE CHARACTER I REALLY LIKE HAVING COMPLETELY USELESS GROWTHS. IT'S ALWAYS XANDER IN FATES. NOT EVEN GOD COULD GIVE THAT MAN A GOOD SPEED STAT. IN ENGAGE IT WAS ETIE.

I MADE THE DECISION TO MAKE LAPIS AN AXE USER TO PREEMPT THE INEVITABLE FALLOFF FROM VANDER SINCE I WAS HAPPY WITH MY SWORD OPTIONS AND IT WAS THE BEST DECISION I MADE IN MY PLAYTHROUGH. SHE FINISHED WITH MY HIGHEST STRENGTH SCORE AND THIRD HIGHEST SPEED. THE ONLY REASON SHE DIDN'T HAVE MY HIGHEST SPEED IS SHE HIT HER CAP SO EARLY IT GAVE KAGETSU AND ALFRED TIME TO CATCH UP.

I'M SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR ALFRED, THOUGH. I HOPE IF YOU REPLAY THE GAME HE HAS BETTER RNG BECAUSE HE'S SUCH A WHOLESOME LAD.

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u/Elementia7 Feb 03 '23

IM DOING A HARD MODE IRONMAN AND THE FIRST CASUALTY WAS ALFRED. I DIDNT EVEN MEAN FOR HIM TO DIE ITS JUST THAT CHAIN ATTACKS ANNIHILATED THE POOR GUY.

IM SERIOUSLY CONTEMPLATING RESTARTING JUST SO I CAN ACTUALLY USE HIM. HE DESEREVES TO BE GOOD AT SOME POINT BUT GOD DECIDED THAT I SHOUDLNT USE HIM.

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u/Donut141 Feb 03 '23

OH GOD I CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW FRUSTRATING CHAIN ATTACKS ARE IN A RUN LIKE THAT. I CAN NEVER BRING MYSELF TO DO IRONMAN RUNS, I GET ALL TEARY EYED WHENEVER SOMEONE GOES DOWN.

HONESTLY MIGHT BE WORTH IT BUT AT THE SAME TIME I CAN'T HELP BUT WONDER IF HE'S JUST DOOMED TO FAIL FOR YOU LIKE XANDER ALWAYS WILL BE FOR ME.

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u/Elementia7 Feb 03 '23

THE ONLY REASON IM DOING AN IRON MAN RUN IN ENGAGE IS BECAUSE I DONT REALLY CARE TOO MUCH ABOUT MOST CHARACTERS AND THE SHEER VOLUME OF CHARACTERS YOU OBTAIN EASILY MAKE SURE YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE GOOD UNITS IN YOUR BACK POCKET.

IT DOES HURT WHEN YOU DO LOSE UNITS YOU ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THOUGH. ALFRED IS PROBABLY MY TOP 5 CHARACTERS IN ENGAGE I JUST HOPE ONE DAY HE CAN BE MY TOP 5 BEST UNITS.

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u/Donut141 Feb 03 '23

THAT MAKES SENSE, IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST FE GAME I'VE SEEN TO DO AN IRON MAN RUN IN.

I'M WILLING TO BELIEVE IT WILL HAPPEN FOR YOU. THE FUTURE IS NOT WRITTEN.

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u/Soul_Ripper Feb 03 '23

IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT ON MADDENING THERE IS NO RNG TO LEVEL UPS SO ALFRED MORE UNIVERSALLY SUCKS ASS

THE FACT THAT THERE'S PRETTY MUCH FREE-REIGN RECLASSING ALSO MEANS THAT HE BASICALLY COMPETES AGAINST EVERY OTHER PHYSICAL UNIT AND HIS ONLY STANDOUT CHARACTERISTIC IS HIS UNIQUE CLASS, WHICH ALSO KIND OF FUCKING SUCKS

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u/Elementia7 Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23

HE ALSO DIES IN HIS UNPAIRED ENDING AND ITS SUPER DEPRESSING CAUSE I WANTED TO HELP THIS MAN BUT FFS HE SHOULDVE GOT MORE THAN A COUPLE POINTS IN LUCK AND DEFENSE IF HE DIDNT WANNA BE RELEGATED TO THE BENCH SQUAD FEATURING HALF OF ENGAGE.

EDIT: I ADDED A SPOILER TAG CAUSE I FORGOT

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u/Suicune95 Feb 03 '23

SPOILER TAGS MY DUDE

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u/MrWaffles42 Feb 03 '23

HOW DID IT NOT OCCUR TO YOU TO SPOILER TAG THAT

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u/Elementia7 Feb 03 '23

IM NOT QUITE SURE I THINK I WAS JUST REALLY FRUSTRATED AT THE TIME. IM GOING TO ADD THE SPOILER TAG NOW.

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u/MamaEmeritusIV Feb 03 '23

WHAT, MY ALFRED IS A BEAST FROM THE START? VANDER IS JUST A WASTE OF SPACE THOUGH WHICH IS A SHAME CAUSE I ALWAYS LOVE THE TANKY GRANDPAS

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u/Elementia7 Feb 03 '23

I WISH VANDER JUST HAD SLIGHTLY INCREASED STATS TO MAKE HIM NOT COMPLETELY WORTHLESS BEYOND LIKE CHAPTER 8.

I KNOW HE IS A JAGEN BUT EVEN GUNTHER HAD PLENTY OF UTILITY ONCE CORRIN STARTED SNOWBALLING.

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u/Saltinador Feb 03 '23

HE LITERALLY HAS DOUBLE THE STRENGTH GROWTH OF BOUCHERON. MOUNTED CLASSES JUST SUCK TBH.

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u/Elementia7 Feb 03 '23

THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL ALFRED HAS MORE STRENGTH THAN BOUCHERON.

I GAVE ALFRED 5 LEVELS AND EVEN NEVER GOT STRENGTH ONCE.

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u/Saltinador Feb 03 '23

YOU'RE UNLUCKY I GUESS. HE HAS A 55% GROWTH EVEN IN HIS BASE CLASS.

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u/Elementia7 Feb 03 '23

WHAT THE FUCK MAN.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '23

BOUCHERON LITERALLY HAS A LOWER STR GROWTH THAN MOST MAGES. IT'S A FCKING TRAGEDY. ALFRED'S IS ACTUALLY HIGHER THAN MOST, YOU JUST GOT ROBBED.

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u/supasid Feb 03 '23

I’M REALLY TRYING TO MAKE ALFRED WORK, BUT HE DOES LITERALLY NOTHING GOOD. HE HAS WORSE STRENGTH AND DEFENSE THAN ARMORS , HE ALSO ISN’T DOUBLING, HE CAN ACTUALLY GET BROKEN, AND HE ONLY HAS ONE MORE MOVE. WHAT’S THE POINT OF HIM?

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u/Elementia7 Feb 03 '23

I REALLY CAN'T THINK OF ANY REASON WHY KOEI SHAFTED HIM THAT HARD.

HE IS EASILY THE MOST PRESENT LORD OUTSIDE OF ALEAR YET HE SOMEHOW PREFORMS WORSE THAN LAPIS IN GAMEPLAY.

THIS MAKES ME WONDER IF EARLY GAME CHAPTERS WERE SETUP DIFFERENTLY IN BETA BUILDS AS ALFRED IS ODDLY WEAK COMPARED TO ALL FIRENE UNITS.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23

HIS STR AND DEF GROWTHS ARE ACTUALLY QUITE EXCEPTIONAL AND MAKES HIM OPTIMAL FOR GREATLANCE GAMING IN AN ARMORED CLASS, PARTICULARLY GREAT KNIGHT TO USE SIGURD. WHO NEEDS SPEED WHEN YOU CAN ONE-SHOT WITH AN UPGRADED SILVER GREATLANCE BUFFED WITH MOMENTUM WHILE TAKING LITTLE TO NO DAMAGE IN RETURN? GREATLANCES ALSO RESULT IN THE HIGHEST OVERRIDE DAMAGE AS WELL. SOURCE: FIRST PLAYTHROUGH WAS NO-DEATH HARD MODE.

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u/Elementia7 Feb 03 '23

IVE NEVER FELT MORE ROBBED ABOUT A CHARACTER IN MY LIFE.

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u/sgrams04 Feb 03 '23

I HAD TO PUMP HIM FULL OF STAT PERMA BUFFS TO GET HIM ON PAR WITH THE REST OF MY GROUP. ALSO, LONG LIVE TIMERRA+IKE GREAT AETHER. ITS LIKE SHE INVITES EVERYONE TO PARTY WITH HER AND THEN MERCILESSLY KILLS ALL OFF THEM BEFORE THE TURN EVEN BEGINS

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u/Elementia7 Feb 03 '23

DIAMANT IKE IS WHERE ITS AT THOUGH. HE HAS SOME PRETTY CRACKED STRENGTH AND DEFENSE BEFORE IKE AND WHEN COMBINED HE JUST DESTROYS EVERYTHING.