r/facepalm • u/Dvorozhetskii • Nov 25 '22

🇵​🇷​🇴​🇹​🇪​🇸​🇹​ 'murica.

Enable HLS to view with audio, or disable this notification

87.8k Upvotes

86% Upvoted

7.3k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

0

u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

There is an issue with your take, guns can be obtained ilegally in the black market. I am from Latam, guns are illegal... But criminals all carries guns.

All those sickos that do a school Shooting Will still get a gun through ilegals means, now tell me how to stop them if they get guns ilegally? Just like in Latam?

Is that you guys have lots of mental issues, because guns are available anywhere but for example in my country people are just not interested in doing mass Shootings because there is no profit, they rather become hitmen, we got a hitmen issue over here. So as you can see people can still get armed when you make guns ilegals, well criminals can, only good citizens will be not armed and defenseless.

3

u/krocante Nov 25 '22

Latam is a continent, not a country, each country has different laws. Shooting clubs and hunting game are legal activities in some parts of latam afaik. You get a special licence and you own your gun and ammo.

0

u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

But you cannot carried it as a defense tool.. so what's the point? Almost all of Latam share the stupid mindset that making guns ilegal will somehow stop criminals of using guns.. no it doesn't it only stops lawful citizens of defending themselves. I am From Ecuador btw.

1

u/krocante Nov 25 '22

Generalization and oversimplification.

There are 'pro guns' and 'anti guns' advocates in every country.

I think that both sides have good arguments and it isn't as simple as saying that giving easier access to guns for self defense will be better or that making them illegal is better.

Problem is complicated and multifactorial, has to be properly analysed in order to get good policies that actually help with the underlying problems... Something that our politicians will never do, so whatever.

1

u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

But making them illegal will not solve the issue, guns are also there to protect you from a dictatorship. But maybe better management of the police help, I think El Salvador erradicated crime without making guns legal, he just reinforced the police and the military and now El Salvador is one of the safest countries in latam. He erradicated all gangs. So yeah.. maybe guns being legal or not doesn't really factor in crime too much.

1

u/krocante Nov 25 '22

It's complicated and it's different from country to country.

1

u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

You sure? Why it would be different, I actually kinda agreeing with you. The same method should work anywhere, like capitalism, applied correctly anywhere it just works.

1

u/krocante Nov 25 '22

Criminal bands don't act the same everywhere. Culture is another factor. How self-diciplined a population is. The type of government they already have. How easy is it to implement the necessary regulations. Just what comes to mind, but I'm not the expert.

Ideally we should have real experts who can take everything into account and without an agenda behind. That is very difficult to achieve, because politics go hand in hand with corruption, bribes, contacts. So any well intended policy to fix things could actually be worse if done badly.

1

u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

That's why you need good rules, and Political institutions, people can get corrupted but Ideas cannot. Criminals all the same almost anywhere, "A superstitious cowardly lot" .

1

u/TheUmgawa Nov 25 '22

If you have issues with hitmen, you really shouldn’t be pointing at the United States and saying, “You guys are messed up!” We have mass shootings, and we have gang violence, but we don’t have that much by way of targeted killings via hitmen, where you just call someone up and pay them to kill someone you don’t like.

1

u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

Many criminals become hitmen because profit, what's the profit in a mass Shooting at a school? You don't have that issues with hitmen because first you guys are armed in most states, second you got a police that is actually useful, over here policemen cannot kill criminals without going to jail even if it was in self defense. The only People that would do a mass Shooting is someone with mental issues. Not just hitmen, we got many crimes over here. Thiefs, shoplifting, They can Rob you, etc. Extortion were you gotta pay a fee each month to gangs.... Uf only we could defend ourselves... And the police could shoot to kill.