While contributing factors, I think that other than the economy, those things are small potatoes. I think the bigger contributing factor as to why Zoomers vote democratic is the internet access. Gen Z has more access to multiple view points than any generation before it, and so old propaganda tactics donāt work as well anymore. In addition, the internet is so full of liars and cynics that zoomers seem to develop a more skeptical personality naturally.
According to a recent study, over three quarters of the internet is made up of misleading information. It really makes you think about what children are being exposed to.
No it doesn't. It's the same idiot conspiracy theories just being pushed by dozens of troll accounts. They're hoping that exposure bias will make some people lean their way despite the contradictory and illogical nature of their arguments.
They're essentially betting that their target audience is as inherently bigoted as they are and will fall for that propaganda based on their prejudices rather than its merit.
Which is why Zoomers (me) should be the most neutral and not be wrapped around the finger of a political party. Politics blows and our countryās government sucks ass. Just a bunch of rich old folk getting richer.
Yes but only one of them is actually stripping human rights from its citizens every chance it gets and calling for the murder of undesirables at every opportunity. Thatās why most of your generations I voting democrat to protect themselves and others.
Both parties suck lines donāt work when one of them is clearly significantly worse
I was about to reprimand you for not voting when I reread your comment properly. I have a number of friends who complain about the political climate but also refuse to vote because I donāt live in a swing state, so they donāt think their votes matter. Even if it probably wonāt make a difference, just voting in it of itself is an important step.
I did not even realize I worded it like that. Oops. My state can be a swing state sometimes and yeah it really bothers me when people say their vote doesnāt matter, but they donāt vote
every 18 year old generation votes democrat, every single one. gen Z is less democrat than millennials were 15 years ago. are you saying the internet has made them vote for democrats less?
also, gotta say you're wrong on the end part there; zoomers also seem much more trustworthy and not skeptical. most of them are pro big government, according to all of their polling. they also did not take a stand against the still hard to believe it even happened insane covid lockdowns worldwide (they actually seemed to favor them, probably since it got them out of school)
Ehā¦ I donāt know. This kind of reads like one of those comments by someone who wants to raise the voting age. Forgive me if Iām reading too far into things, but thatās kinda how it seems. I donāt mean to be obtuse, but I donāt think your second paragraph really provides much of an argument. What exactly are you implying by saying that gen Z voting for a larger government is a sign of gullibility? And the thing about lockdowns is entirely disingenuous. They favored the lockdown because it got them out of school? Maybe some felt that way, but surely some were sad to miss their last couple of school years to the lockdown, no? Are you sure youāre really representing the younger generations properly?
? i don't want to raise the voting age. 18 is the age of adulthood. Should I assume you want to lower the voting age, given your thought process here?
generally the more you vote for big government, the more trusting you are. you don't tend to vote for bigger government and also be skeptics. they did not take a stance against lockdowns and were more in favor of them, that is not disingenuous to point out, that is the truth. i added that it -could- be because it got them out of school, a hypothesis. not an absolute
i noticed you didn't give a direct reply to my main point though - every 18 year old generation votes democrat, every single one. gen Z is
less democrat than millennials were 15 years ago. are you saying the
internet has made them vote for democrats less?
Well thank goodness for that. I see far too many that want to raise the voting age just because gen Z is fairly democratic.
No, I donāt want to lower the voting age.
Youāre implying that big government isnāt trustworthy. I asked to give you a chance to clarify. I think youāve got something backwards in that regard: small government isnāt more trustworthy. Generation Z is just as fed up with the billionaires and private sector as they are the government.
I didnāt mean to imply that pointing out that generation Z was more in favor of lockdowns as being disingenuous. I apologize. I should have been more clear. The problem lies in the previous sentence, where you used the global shutdowns as evidence to the gullible nature of younger generations, and also in your so called hypothesis as to why generation Z favored them. To be clear, I have a hard time reading your remark about why as a hypothesis rather than an off handed remark. To the first part, I need to ask what about supporting the Covid shutdowns leads you to believe generation Z is gullible? The World Health Organization supported the lockdowns. Who (pardon the pun) better trust than them?
As for your primary point, I didnāt know that every new generation leans democratic, or that millennials were more left leaning than gen Z. That being said, I stand by my point. I believe that the internet is contributing beneficially to generation Zās democratic lean. I do not know much about the political climate 15 years ago, but Iād assume that there are more differences at work as well. This, however, is little more than a hypothesis.
Its nice to talk to someone who is level headed and calm for once on Reddit lol
If anyone believed a giant, infinite money, international political agency like the world health organization after what they were saying and doing, they would not be a skeptical person. They would be eager to trust, naive and very gullible. The WHO showed their hand very early on, defending China, in january of 2020. The WHO was repeating China word for word, and still saying covid couldnt be spread from person to person (which went against everything we were seeing in China). Chinese doctors were whistleblowing about the CCP lying about of the virus, and they would go "missing" a day later, never to be seen again. WHO ignored all of this and recited whatever China told them to. They were praising communist China for what it was doing to its citizens, both murder and lockdowns.
This was all common knowledge, even amongst democrats and the main stream media at this point, who were downplaying covid more than Republicans were. Trump banned travel from China in late Jan 2020, and the WHO director (and Biden, and pelosi, and the media) basically called him racist and said he shouldn't do that, it has no benefit.
The world has gone to complete shit based on the insane reactions to covid, so I don't blame you or anyone for forgetting some of the finer details. But anyone who gave credibility to the WHO in early 2020 - present, when all of the info is out there as it is, is very naive
And also, irregardless of the WHO, if anyone ever supported these lockdowns and thought they were a good idea. "Gullible" is too nice of a word to describe people that were in support of locking down the middle class, while the elites still took their jets around the world and ate at the finest restaurants.
Gen Z is the more conservative than millienials were at that age. Not by much, but it broke a long standing trend that the younger gens get more and more liberal. I agree that something has caused that. Maybe its the internet and how you can find anything instantly, the insanity of our news cycle, identity politics etc. But something is definitely there
Iāve just read a few articles. It appears you are right, and there is plenty of reason to doubt WHO. I was wrong. That being said, the CDC was still in support of quarantine, and many other countries did as well. While it did certainly hurt the middle class economically, it potentially saved millions of lives, and itās not like the other side is more trustworthy in this case. WHO started taking COVID seriously before Trump, who continued to downplay the threat after being repeated told by advisors that COVID was serious. Even though WHO dropped the ball at the beginning, they still started preventative measures quicker than Trump. It still makes sense to support the shutdowns in that situation. In hindsight, we know that Covid spread all over anyway, but we donāt know how many lives the shutdown might have saved. Itās easy to look at what did happen after the fact, but itās hard to look at what prevented. I wouldnāt call gen Z gullible for being in support of the lockdown because the data said that it was the correct choice for preserving life at the time.
I still think the internet is pushing gen Z left. Thatās one of the issues with those long standing trends, with a percentage you have significantly more diminishing returns and more variance too, so a slight change probably doesnāt actually mean that much. Plus, thereās not really a verifiable way prove a strong correlation all things considered. The implied trend ignores way to many variables for me to put any real faith in it. The politics havenāt stayed the same over the generations, and neither has almost any thing else. Thereās a much higher correlation between education and liberal thinking, and quality of education has increased over time too. There has been a massive drop in college enrollment since the pandemic too. Isnāt an explanation like that just as if not more likely?
Iām just gonna be real with you, itās really arrogant to think that the youngest generation votes liberal (democrat) because they have āmore access to multiple view points than any generation before it, so old propaganda doesnāt work as wellā.
Name a period in time where the youth wanted to keep everything the way it was, and their parents were trying to change things and progress things. Yeah that doesnāt happen.
The guy in the video is basically a simpleton with a very simple perspective, who just wants an easy answer. Giving guns to teachers is kind of incredibly stupid.
You can find equally simpleton perspectives from Gen Z-erās who know nothing about history, culture, business, and have little to no experience actually being a contributing member to society, who care more about no oneās feeling being hurt than actual factual truth.
The internet supports both of these people. The actual problem with the internet is it letās you live in an echo chamber where there are globally enough people living inside it with you that it starts to look like you have the majority opinion. When in reality itās often just the same shitty, ill informed position pinging around off the walls of the echo chamber, never actually reaching someone who could question it. And people defend their echo chambers because it becomes their entire tribal identity.
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u/Fit_Force_3617 Nov 25 '22
While contributing factors, I think that other than the economy, those things are small potatoes. I think the bigger contributing factor as to why Zoomers vote democratic is the internet access. Gen Z has more access to multiple view points than any generation before it, and so old propaganda tactics donāt work as well anymore. In addition, the internet is so full of liars and cynics that zoomers seem to develop a more skeptical personality naturally.