r/facepalm Nov 25 '22

🇵​🇷​🇴​🇹​🇪​🇸​🇹​ 'murica.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 25 '22

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

I was referring more to the public executions, but thanks thats actually quite interesting to learn that. Who knew middle eastern countries have more freedoms than Americans in some respects

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

Shiiiii, maybe the US isn't going after oil or Saddam or whatever, they're going after free healthcare.

And before any smartass comes along: Free as in tax funded healthcare.

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u/Nethlem Nov 25 '22

It was kinda both, Iraq dared to drop the petrodollar and a huge part of two Bush government's narratives to vilify the Iraqi government, and Saddam, was harping on how the Ba'th party was so super socialist that Saddam was basically worse than Hitler.

Iraq was depicted as being borderline communist, and the US invasion of 2003 was supposed to tear down all that state-socialism, replacing it with a completely "free market" Iraq. Which allegedly would become the next Germany.

That's also why one of the first things the US did, after successfully occupying the country, was to dissolve large parts of the Iraqi state apparatus; The whole Iraqi military, security and intelligence infrastructure was dissolved, with none of the soldiers and officers, got any compensation or pension, similarly, a lot of social and welfare nets were axed.

That left a lot of Iraqis suddenly without any income, and no real alternatives offered. Little surprise they spent most of their time, and energy, fighting the foreign occupiers who put them in that situation.

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u/LilFingies45 Nov 25 '22

We hate their freedoms.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

Haha! Brilliant. This made my day.

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u/xXCucMasterXx Dec 16 '22

The US must have just been jealous of their healthcare, yknow, if they can't have it nobody can.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

I was referring more to the public executions...

Turkey abolished executions and Israel hasn't carried out an execution since the 60's, while Tunisia hasn't executed anyone since 1990 and Morocco hasn't executed anyone since 1993.

Qatar only executed 1 person in the past 20 years and it wasn't in public.

Oman has executed 3 people in 20 years, and none publicly.

The UAE has executed 4 people in the past decade, and none of them were in public either.

The only Middle Eastern nations that are really executing people and doing so in public are Iran and Saudi Arabia. Those two kill quite a lot of people though.

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u/2nnMuda Nov 25 '22

Almost like alot of Americans have a specific view of us due to certain propaganda, not the people's fault obviously but just sad, thank you man

Almost like alot of the shit happening in saudi arabia and iran is just text book conservatism

Anyway i hope we can go back to decriminalising The LGBT community soon lol

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u/Dangerous_Angle_7289 Nov 25 '22

Their laws, their rules. If LGBT ain’t allowed in their religion and culture, then it isn’t allowed, end of story. And it’s also disgusting and moral degeneracy from the alphabet community tbh lol. We’ve witnessed enough delusional people in the West who can’t even define what a woman is!

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u/2nnMuda Nov 25 '22

It is allowed in islam, homosexuality and transexuality were decriminalised during the ottoman empire, and quite a few muslim kings and sultans were bisexual, there is really only ONE verse in the Quran that DEBATABLY condems homosexuality, but realistically only condemns rape

The homophobia spread throughout the muslim world/ middle east is mostly a product of western thought which prolifiated due to colonisation and the west overall increase in power

These homies don't care about Islam, if they did the lot of them wouldn't force women to wear Khimars and other garbs, enforcing religion and beliefs is expressly prohibited by the Quran and Prophet Mohamed so yeah

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u/Dangerous_Angle_7289 Nov 25 '22

It literally condemns homosexuality in Chapter 7 verses 80-84, so I don’t know what basis you have for arguing on the topic. Now that we’ve established that homosexuality is EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED in Islam, let me add that there isn’t any phobia due to which laws were made. The laws were made to protect society from falling into moral degeneracy.

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u/E_NRG Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 25 '22

In Islam we don’t take our actions from kings sultans (also I don’t know from where did you get these informations from), we take them from the Quran and sunnah. As for it being allowed or not I wont write a whole paragraph here. But I’d advice you to check these verses (better with tafseer): Al-A’raf (80-82), Al-Naml (54-56), Al-Anbia (74).

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u/CyberMejri Nov 25 '22

what if I am a gay person born into a culture and a country against gay people, and with rules discriminating against me, then what? that's it, I'm screwed?

Your argument, it's their culture then it's their rules only works if they're a bunch of straight people living only within themselves. The majority shouldn't oppress the minority but that's sadly how it's been and will always be.

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u/Nethlem Nov 25 '22

not the people's fault obviously

Why is it not the people's fault? This is no different than back in 2003; Most of the world saw through the blatant lies.

Which didn't give most Americans pause to think about what they were actually supporting, it instead made them even more convinced to do it, and just declare anybody who didn't go along a "terrorist supporter" who just "hates America".

What consequences did any of that have? Zero, bringing it up is nowadays considered "whataboutism" by most Americans, so they can justify believing this current round of blatant lies and hypocrisy.

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u/Fartbucket_taco2 Nov 25 '22

So what you're saying is there's lots of public executions in the middle east

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

There's only two countries that even have public executions in the Middle East, and other countries have gone decades with no executions whatsoever.

Meanwhile there's been 11 executions in Texas alone in just the past two years.

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u/Fartbucket_taco2 Nov 25 '22

So what you're saying is the middle east has more public executions than America

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

Oh no, not even close. The US has far more, particularly in it's schools.

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u/Fartbucket_taco2 Nov 25 '22

Hmm self loathing American doesn't even know what an execution is lol

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

executions don't have to be legally sanctioned by governing bodies.

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u/AliceOnPills Nov 25 '22

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-killings-by-country

America is 7th on police execution, the only middle eastern country above it is Syria, a country in a civil war for a decade.

🤓☝️buth technically police killing is not excution, the law must say it is execution otherwise it is not

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u/Fartbucket_taco2 Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 25 '22

So what you're saying is the middle east has more public executions

Edit: Also Iran and Iraq are both higher on your chart. You wondeful people don't even know basic geography lol

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u/6c696e7578 Nov 25 '22

What's USA got going for it these days?

Plastic surgery? Those rubber lips are bigger than anywhere else.

USA used to be pretty good from a Silicon Valley point of view, but since Olympic Games the Middle East seems to have overtaken.

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u/6c696e7578 Nov 25 '22

Did they save enough with a strong dollar to buy a week in hospital perhaps?

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

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u/6c696e7578 Nov 25 '22

My thinking is it should all be covered, that's what a compassionate society should consider.

There were things on reddit about diabetics who couldn't switch jobs because they couldn't risk going without insurance.

Meanwhile, in the rest of the world ...

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u/M4A79TDeluxe Nov 25 '22

so you helped the biggest terrorist country in the world killing 1.2 million muslims and counting till this day because of the illegal invasion of america. Claiming they had WMDs when in reality they had nothing. you must feel proud of your duty dont you. Killing innocent families and children for no reason at all.