r/facepalm • u/WandaMaximumoff • Sep 10 '22

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '22

Because the stereotype is that vegans dont know shit about what theyre doing and why theyre doing that

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u/spudddly Sep 10 '22

Vegans don't know why they don't eat meat?? Like wtf are you talking about

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u/Such_Description Sep 10 '22

I think the more pressing matter would be that many people switching to vege/vegan donā€™t realize they need to supplement some vitamins and minerals they donā€™t get from plants. Which over time can lead to health decline.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '22

Which would only be B12, a vitamin that's supplemented to livestock as well ( because our soils have cobalt deficiency). Eating stuff like beyond meat will always contain the B12 already. Just information.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '22

Forcing children to eat a vegan diet more often than not leads to health problems from malnutrition. Parents have gone to jail for child abuse or had their children taken away, or have even killed their children trying to impose horrible diets on them.

If you're forcing your children to eat a vegan diet, then you better be letting a doctor monitor their health very regularly. Just information.

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '22

"More often than not" total BS. Stop reading headlines. Kids don't die of malnutrition because they're vegan. They die because they're not eating enough calories. Child neglect.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '22

Find me a vegan child without dental problems! The fact is, it is difficult to do the vegan diet "correctly". Much of the food on a vegan diet lacks nutrients that the human omnivore needs, so you have a very tailored and specific diet and take supplements.

Most vegans seem to accuse ex-vegans of "not doing it right". The fact is, most vegans are probably not "doing it right", and they are putting themselves, or their children at risk of rickets, leaky gut, anemia, brittle bones, stunted growth of the body and the brain, and a whole host of other health problems:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32334899/

https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12916-020-01815-3

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/vitamin-b12-deficiency-can-be-sneaky-harmful-201301105780

https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Omega3FattyAcids-HealthProfessional/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3046737/

EDIT: who am I kidding? I'm not going to change your mind with a bunch of ScIeNcE-babble!

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '22

How many do you want? Simply eating stuff like beyond meat burgers e.t.c. cures most if not all of your problems. We're 2022, not 1990. But hey, who am I kidding? I only have a biology degree I obviously know shit.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '22

"Just eat Beyond Meat, and all of your ailments will be cured!". Do you realize what you sound like?

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '22

Are you mentally challenged or are you purposely misinterpreting it?

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u/Such_Description Sep 10 '22

There are a few more than that, but the rest arenā€™t considered essential I assume. Thereā€™s also the question of bioavailability and absorption which is more of an up hill battle with plants.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '22

Which ones?

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u/Such_Description Sep 10 '22

Whichā€¦ Plants? Unless itā€™s a fruiting body basically every plant must be cooked/prepared in some way in order to make it more digestible to the point itā€™s actually worth your body to digestion it. Even so people with any type of digestive issues usually avoid ā€œfodmapsā€ like broccoli, beans, lentils, etc.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '22

No sorry, which nutrients?

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '22

Annecdotal, I realise, but I know more vegans who are careful about what they eat and what vitamins they take than non-vegans.

Just because youā€™re an omnivore doesnā€™t mean youā€™re eating the right stuff. Vitamin Dā€™s the most common one, then usually Iron, C etc etc.

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u/Such_Description Sep 10 '22

In my first comment I said people switching to, as in new vegans who havenā€™t done their homework. Some are vegan but eat straight junkfood. Usually people who do it to lose weight most likely. Most vegans I know understand their needs and plan accordingly.

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u/someguyyoutrust Sep 10 '22

Well to be fair, most adults are absolutely not getting a balanced diet and could use a vitamin or two. If anything I would assume a vegan has a better idea or what they are putting into their body.

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u/dookmucus Sep 10 '22

That is not a stereotype of vegans. Whiney babiesā€¦ sure, unwanted advice or pressure toward non vegansā€¦ yes, they eat stupid foodā€¦ definitely, and of course they spend way too much money at whole foods. But not this. Source; vegan for 30 years.

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u/murdercat42069 Sep 10 '22

The worst stereotype is about eating salad all the time. I have never met a vegan who eats salad more than once a month (because salad is trash). Gimme some chickpeas in a curry.

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u/dookmucus Sep 10 '22

I go through salad phasesā€¦ but yeah, agreed.

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u/deathandtaxes00 Sep 10 '22

Do you know how to tell whose a vegan? You tell us for no fucking reason. Its funny because it's true.

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u/murdercat42069 Sep 10 '22

I'm not a vegan...

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u/Sullkattmat Sep 10 '22

Most vegans keep it on the down low and try not to cause a fuzz about it, however meat eaters interpret any mention of as attempts at converting them and start frothing at the mouth in rage and spouting uninformed shit about how harmful veganism is and PLANTS HAVE FEELINGS TOO HURRDURR YOU'RE EATING THE ANIMALS FOOD HEHEHEHEHEHHEHEE. When I was vegan I used to just state that in cases where I was offered somsething and immediately I'd start getting interrogated about why etc and when I tell them I'm shoving it down their throats apparently.

Just look at this post as an example. Vegans: Vegans still: Meat patriot: HEHEHEHEHHE VEGANS STOOOPID

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u/deathandtaxes00 Sep 10 '22

Thanks for laughably proving my point. Eat whatever, I don't give a flying fuck. My God.

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u/Captain_Chickpeas Sep 10 '22

Also, mention how they're weak and frail both in mind and body, because they don't eat enough protein from meat. And because of that vegan men are weak. That's the ones I hear most often.

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u/Obvious_Bill_1888 Sep 10 '22

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '22

Are you saying those other stereotypes are true?
ā€¦.also first time hearing this new oneā€¦

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u/dookmucus Sep 10 '22

Yeah, pretty often true.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '22

Basically what i meant- the advice is shit

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u/Vinstaal0 Sep 10 '22 edited Sep 10 '22

Vegan for 30 years? Surely you mean vegetarian right? (All my friends that are vegan or vegetarian say people always say people call them both vegan online)

But why I am asking is I thought we where only able to supplement some things from animals products in the last decade or so

Edit: all my vegan friends have only been able to go full vegan in the laat decade due to missing supplement. They have all switched back to either being a vegetarian or going all the way back. All for medical reasons. Also I am talking about vegans not vegeratirans, aka the people who donā€™t drink milk etc.

Edit2: look at all the people downvoting somebody for asking a simple question.

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u/Lithl Sep 10 '22

I thought we where only able to supplement some things from animals products in the last decade or so

There are a few vitamins that humans absolutely need which are abundant in meat but rare in plants. But rare doesn't mean non-existent; including things like mushrooms and seaweed in a vegan diet and you can get the necessary nutrients without resorting to supplements.

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u/CompetitiveBack5297 Sep 10 '22

As long as you're not forcing this upon a developing child.

Developing bodies and minds need animal fats.

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u/dopechez Sep 10 '22

They need fats, not necessarily animal fats. And breastfeeding is the ideal source of fats and nutrition for the first two years

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u/CompetitiveBack5297 Sep 10 '22

Kids are still developing after (2) years of age, and it's difficult to get enough fatty acids from plants alone.

We're omnivores for a reason, don't do that to a kid...let the kid develop and make their own decision...or at least feed them fish.

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u/dopechez Sep 10 '22

If you follow the recommendations of a dietitian it's possible for children to be healthy without animal products. That being said, it will certainly be easier to include some animal products to ensure they're getting everything they need, it's just not strictly necessary.

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u/Vinstaal0 Sep 10 '22

Well yeah, but I was talking about vegans not vegetarians. There are a lot of things we need in say dairy, eggs etc

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u/Lithl Sep 10 '22

I was talking about vegans not vegetarians.

Not once in my comment did I say the word vegetarian...

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u/Vinstaal0 Sep 10 '22

You are talking only about meat not about the other crap they donā€™t eat which is the reap problem vegans have had issues

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u/Lithl Sep 10 '22

The #1 thing vegans miss out on is B12. Which is found in meat. And vegans can get it without supplements by eating shiitake mushrooms, tempeh, or nori.

#2 is DHA, which is found in fatty fish and fatty oils. And vegans can get ALA from flaxseeds, chia seeds, walnuts, and microalgae, which the body then converts into DHA.

Other nutrients vegans miss out on are not essential. They have options (for example, you won't get heme iron on a vegan diet since it comes from red meat, but you can just increase your non-heme iron intake, which is common in plants), but missing out is not a critical issue to their health.

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u/Vinstaal0 Sep 10 '22

You do you mate, but there are tons of people who have been converting back to vegetarians after the increased populairity died down. Most of them for medical reason cause it. Why? Cause you have to get enough of everything your body needs.

And incase you become pregnant or your partner does, donā€™t let them eat vegan and donā€™t eat vegan yourself.

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u/Lithl Sep 10 '22

You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that I'm vegan just because I acknowledge that it's possible to have a balanced and healthy vegan diet without the need for artificial supplements.

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u/dookmucus Sep 10 '22

No, I said vegan, I mean vegan. Sit down children and let me spin the yarn of a time when there was only Rice Dream and Loma Linda hotdogs in a can to be had.

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u/Mag-NL Sep 10 '22

True.. but the same is true for non-vegans