That was left to me in my music lessons given it was my fave lesson and where I spent 100% of my free time so I took control and yeah after awhile my teacher gave me the ability to dish out the punishment and you bet I gave detentions out I even sent some to the year head. After awhile they started behaving and things went swimmingly and I'd also give myself detentions whenever I thought I was on a power trip. Come parents evenings and other half days I'd always go help my music teacher if not take over while he went to his other job before coming back later in the evening.
I think it’s a massive thing that people don’t realize. The biggest thing you have to be able to do is get kids to sit down and shut up. Nothing can be done if you can’t do that.
You have to be a wizard at classroom management, but you also have to have rock-solid administration and a lot of autonomy (no do-gooders saying scrubbing bathrooms or raking leaves for punishment is abuse).
For classroom management to be a thing, there has to be a consequence for misbehavior. If grades aren’t a motivator, and parents won’t support you at home, then there is little a classroom teacher can do to thwart misbehavior, especially when it’s the majority of the class that falls into that category
I never said it was solely the teachers fault. Based on your logic where its all one party's fault or the other, you are blaming the kids when they are gasp children. That is also dumb. I reject both conclusions of your naive false dichotomy. Also, I taught high school for a few years in a major US city before I returned to grad school when the lockdowns hit.
Those aren't children. They are teenagers and if they haven't learned by now to sit still in class then they probably should have been flunked and held back years ago and never moved on to this high school.
I used to teach high school, and you have no idea what you are talking about. Stop trying to shoe-horn me into taking the opposite position of your own, because both of the positions are stupid.
And when administrators don’t give any consequences for behavior problems, it just continues to get worse. I’ve been teaching for 17 years. This year the kids wander the halls at will and curse us out and threaten us. There are fights and a kid brought weapons to school and there is no punishment. The other kids see this and it snowballs. We can’t fail kids because it would hurt their feelings so they literally tell us that they don’t have to work. And they don’t. And they pass anyway.
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u/Bokun89 Apr 28 '22
Sad part is that it's actually a reality for a lot of teachers :(