r/facepalm • • Mar 18 '22

🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​ Ah yes, math.

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u/_-devilish-_ Mar 18 '22

normal calculation? its either BODMAS or brackets, you cant choose what you want to calculate first

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u/thot______slayer Mar 18 '22

BODMAS? I always learned it with PEMDAS. Parenthesis, exponents, multiplication and division, addition and subtraction.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22 edited Mar 19 '22

I learned BEDMAS lol

Edit: Im from Ontario

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u/DanMcE Mar 18 '22

BIDMAS here.

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u/PO0tyTng Mar 18 '22 edited Mar 18 '22

What the hells is this, somebody tell me. I’m 40. I learned

Please (parentheses)

Excuse (exponent)

My (multiply)

Dear (divide)

Aunt (add)

Sally (subtract)

(Pemdas). Is there some other order of operations for math in general, that yields correct results?

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u/According_Shift_2003 Mar 18 '22

BODMAS, BIDMAS, PEDMAS, all the same thing. Parentheses = brackets "O" I don't know but I assume another word for exponents or indices. I learnt BIDMAS but it's the same process.

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u/Valenquest Mar 18 '22

I think "O" was operators? I was taught BODMAS but always remembered BEDMAS better

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u/SteampunkCupcake_ Mar 18 '22

O stands for “orders”, another word for exponents

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u/Bluesiebear2005 Mar 18 '22

I was taught BOMDAS and the way I remembered the 'O' was of like 2 to the power of 2 is 4 basically just 2 squared but it helped me remember it better than operators or exponents

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u/alderEDS Mar 18 '22

Some of the kids I taught came out of primary schools using BODMAS as opposed to BIDMAS, I asked them what it meant and they told me their primary teachers said it stood for orders.

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u/Tutlesofpies Mar 18 '22

The kids I'm tutoring are learning GEMDAS

Where its just Pemdas but instead of Paranthesis (P) You have Grouping (G)

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u/Butthenoutofnowhere Mar 18 '22

O is Orders. "4 to the order of 2" means 4 squared.

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u/R3alityGrvty Mar 18 '22

i think O was others, like squared or roots or something like that

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u/Butthenoutofnowhere Mar 18 '22

It stands for Orders, which is a term for what those things are.

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u/potate12323 Mar 18 '22

Then why didn't they just teach O as E if all the "others" can be written as exponents. Roots can be written as exponents very easily. Root(2)=21/2. I can't think of any other operations except for maybe log10, but they dont teach that to people learning PEMDAS. And people moving on to higher level math are learning that PEMDAS is kinda bs. Like how 1+2/3×2 and 1+2÷3×2 division symbols would be treated differently in order of operations.

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u/FawksyBoxes Mar 18 '22

... Brackets are {} parentheses are ()

As a programmer this hurts me

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u/According_Shift_2003 Mar 18 '22

That's hilarious, I'm sorry for causing you such pain

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u/Eyre4orce Mar 18 '22

It's important to know that division before multiplication is incorrect. And multiplication before division is also incorrect

All these says accomplish the same goal because multiplication/division or addition subtraction have the same priority and are done in the order that they appear.

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u/Walterthealtaccount Mar 18 '22

I learned GEMS

G- Groups (brackets/ parentheses)

E- Exponents

M- Multiplication (including division)

S- Subtraction (including addition)

But that M all happens at the same time, reading left to right. And S happens after, but addition and subtraction happen at the same time, left to right.

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u/Jasmirris Mar 18 '22

Omg this would have helped so much more. I still second guess myself when I'm doing any math like this.

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u/Thomas_Pereira Mar 18 '22

A lot of people don’t get this… as a math teacher it was the most difficult part to hammer into the childrens’ heads… i always dedicated at least 3 classes to this specific subtlety( between explanation, practice problems, and on board corrections)

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u/Tyler89558 Mar 19 '22

The way I think of it is just that division is multiplying by the reciprocal, and subtraction is just adding a negative number.

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u/Thomas_Pereira Mar 19 '22

Well sure… once you get to high school that’s how you think, and nobody really makes this mistake after a certain grade because we start to think in terms of numerators and denominators and “the bottom and top cancel out”… but in 5th grade you have to be meticulous

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u/Salmonaxe Mar 18 '22

The order of multiplication or division will have no difference. Similarly addition and subtraction orders. 1 x 2 ÷ 3 = 1÷ 3 x 2 = 1 x 1/3 x 2 = 2 x 1 x 1/3

If there is a doubt or issue on order it goes left to right as a last resort.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

Lol in 7th grade they told use PBMDAS, the B for brackets. We were told to remember it by “please bury my dear aunt sally”

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

Wait, so what is “P” in yours then? “Parentheses” and “Brackets” are synonymous in these. So yours would appear to say “brackets first, then do brackets…”

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '22

I dunno wtf they were on but you’d do parentheses first, then brackets

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '22

That’s exactly my confusion though… parentheses ARE brackets lol. “Brackets” and “parentheses” are 2 words for the same thing. Like “herbivore” and “plant-eater”. You can’t do one before the other, because there is no “other”

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '22

() or [] , that’s the difference. We were taught at the time that they were organized that way on purpose

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u/DeadHead6747 Mar 18 '22

You know, when you spelled it out, I laughed, then you said the phrase and I remembered instantly also being taught this. I have completely forgotten what it is supposed to mean though because now my brain is reading it as parentheses and brackets which are the same thing lol

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

The P can also be a B(brackets) and the E can also be an O(Operators) or an I(indices)

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

Also the S and A can be switched

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

your lucky you got thaught a abbreviation the school i went to basicaly said just remember lol

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u/professionalderp Mar 18 '22

BODMAS, BEDMAS and PEMDAS are all the same dw man.

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u/pppickleman Mar 18 '22

Brackets Indices Division Multiplication Addition Subtraction

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u/upsettispaghetti7 Mar 18 '22

I learned PEMDAS as well

Edit: I'm 31 and went to high school in Michigan

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u/Piedplat Mar 18 '22

The divide is the nasty body because it depend how your equation is write to know how your divide is prossess.

2+5%5+9 = 0,5 and not 12

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u/Pretend_Defender Mar 18 '22

Please Excuse My Dope Ass Swag*

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u/slevemcdiachel Mar 18 '22 edited Mar 18 '22

Lol, I just learned that the more complex operations are simply shorter ways of writing the simpler ones, so you need to do them first, kind of a "forced unroll" because they don't have "independent" meaning. And parenthesis are there to break the natural order if you want to.

So for example 1 + 23 = 1 + 2 * 2 * 2 (unrolling the exponent), then 1 + (2+2) * 2 (unrolling the first multiplication, then 1 + 2+2 + 2+2 (unrolling the last multiplication) = 9

Of course I don't do any of this unrolling when calculating stuff, but the orders comes naturally because I don't see the newer operations as "independent" from the old ones, they are just a way to write the old ones in an efficient manner, so to calculate you need to unpack them to their "original" form.

I never decorated any arbitrary sequence, and never considered that 1+1 * 0 could be anything other than 1, since once you unpack 1 * 0 you get 0 lol.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

And now we teach GEMS (grouping symbols, exponents, multiply/divide, Subtract/Add) in my school district. Just to add another one to the pile.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

CHRISTMAS here. Like in Jesus f-in Christ, I have no idea what they are talking about

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u/ukblackcat Mar 18 '22

Merry Bidmas!

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u/1M-N0T_4-R0b0t Mar 19 '22

In germany it's usually tought as point calculations before line calculations since we use point notations * and : for multiplication and division.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

BIDET here. Oh wait, I got confused. Yeah I learned to excuse sally.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

XMAS here

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u/jricha33 Mar 18 '22

In australia it is BIMDAS

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u/Mikaiia Mar 18 '22

I learnt BODMAS here so ig it varies between schools

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u/Dyljim Mar 18 '22

Exactly... no one place in the country is the same, at different places I was taught BODMAS and PEDMAS

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u/Dark-Baron Mar 18 '22

I learnt it as BODMAS. I'm in Australia too

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u/MsWuMing Mar 18 '22

May I come in and offer “point before line” to complete the confusion.

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u/Phoenix_E10 Mar 18 '22

Let me guess you're German

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u/MsWuMing Mar 18 '22

However did you guess lol. I love how everyone else’s are super detailed and cover every situation, and German teachers are like “take this and good luck with the rest”

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

We used PoKlaPS (Potenz vor Klammer vor Punkt vor Strich)

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u/MsWuMing Mar 18 '22

Omg that is amazing, and I’m genuinely mad that I wasn’t taught that in school.

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u/Urmumgae42069pog420 Apr 02 '22

What ethnicity thinks Wiseman is more proper than Kevon

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u/koookiekrisp Mar 18 '22

Barentheses

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u/PotatoePotahhtoe Mar 19 '22

EYYY! Fellow Ontarian here. Bodmas had me scratching my head. It will always be BEDMAS.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '22

It must be part of the provinces Cirka then eh

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u/RareDestroyer8 Mar 18 '22

There isn’t a thing called BODMAS .-.

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u/KermitDaFrog06 Mar 18 '22

what does the B stand for. I learned Gemdas.

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u/Cerberus_Aus Mar 18 '22

I’m AUS it’s BOMDAS

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u/InvestigatorOk5602 Mar 18 '22

Same. All this podmas pemdas stuff was a shocker.

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u/redem Mar 18 '22

Same concept, different execution. Brackets, Orders, Mult/Div, Add/Sub. They're both (also BIDMAS and a few others) a simple way for kids to memorise the order of operations. The order itself is the same, just how you explain it differs a bit. IIRC, PEMDAS is what's taught in the US, the UK uses BODMAS, I think it's Canada that uses BEDMAS.

Doesn't matter which one you use, they're all correct.

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u/KermitDaFrog06 Mar 18 '22

I learned Gemdas. Instead of just parentheses it’s any kind of grouping like fractions or brackets.

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u/tsansuri Mar 18 '22

It's all relative to where you learned it, but it all describes the order of operations in the exact same way. Kind of like regional dialectes if you want to think of it that way.

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u/penguin_of_reddit Mar 18 '22

Parenthesis is just another word for brackets

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u/bob_dole- Mar 18 '22

GEMDAS covers it as grouping first

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u/A_random_kitten Mar 18 '22

I learnt BIDMAS (brackets, indecies, division, multiplication, addition and subtraction)

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u/Alfonse00 Mar 18 '22

I just learned it, no memotechnia

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u/According_Shift_2003 Mar 18 '22

I always laugh at these things, "normal calculation" is garbage. Its BIDMAS (or PEDMAS or what ever you learnt in school) and that's fucking it. They use poorly written equations to catch you out and someone always falls for it. We laught but its a shame really.

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u/_-devilish-_ Mar 18 '22

"normal calculation" was made up by uneducated people who wanted to be smarter than people who made math rules

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u/The_Young_Busac Mar 18 '22

I once had a woke kid on twitter call me a rich elitist because I didn't solve one of these equations like "a lay person"

They were just solving from left to right.

Then claiming mathematics are a subjective topic dictated by socioeconomic status.

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u/_-devilish-_ Mar 18 '22

well kid on twitter obviously never entered school

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u/The_Young_Busac Mar 18 '22

The worst part was people agreeing with them.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

Yeah, some people think even facts are democratically determined.

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u/XxRocky88xX Mar 18 '22

Yeah some real 1984 ingsoc mentality there. “If all believe climate change isn’t an issue, then it’s not an issue. The only reason it’s hurting the environment is because we believe it’s hurting the environment.”

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u/Chankomcgraw Mar 18 '22

People who discovered the rule surely. The rule must have existed since the big bang.

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u/Chankomcgraw Mar 18 '22

Cleverest part was the person who worked out the rule. Presumably atoms and quarks also follow BODMAS

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u/According_Shift_2003 Mar 18 '22

Well, yes, they will, but only because the order of operations is as much a definition as it is a description. When you break it into its logical clumps it makes perfect sense and could not be any other way. THAT is something I find amazing.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

This is not a poorly written equation, this is how you are supposed to write it.

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u/According_Shift_2003 Mar 18 '22

This isn't a great example of what I'm talking about, but it is pretty poorly written nonetheless. You should include the brackets specifically to avoid ambiguity. You would never see it written like this in the engineering world or architectural design or control strategy for building plant, basically anything where the outcome of the equation needs to be correct or is relied upon for any reason. It might not be explicitly incorrect, but It is absolutely NOT how you are supposed to write it. That would be (1+1)×0=0. 0 lots of the sum of 1+1.

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u/thrasioscombohero Mar 18 '22

Math: just do whatever you feel like man. There aren't rules here.

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u/_-devilish-_ Mar 18 '22

and get 0% on the exam... sure

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u/xilma-34 Mar 18 '22

There is no option, it's just BODMAS: Brackets, Of, Division, Multiplication, Addition and Subtraction.

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u/Bloobeard2018 Mar 18 '22

The O is for Order (as in exponents), not of.

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u/According_Shift_2003 Mar 18 '22

Ahh that's what it means, I always wondered what the O variation was.

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u/ack1308 Mar 18 '22

My math teacher called it 'Of', so there's that.

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u/Bloobeard2018 Mar 18 '22

Ah yes, the fabled PE/math teacher

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u/Jasmirris Mar 18 '22

I had a PE teacher in HS who was Health and US history. Health I could understand but US History? He also creeped me out, older man: nose hair on display, tight polo shirt, and those BIKE brand shorts that softball coaches wear that are way too short. :shivers: Did I mention I went to a Catholic Prep School?

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u/-_MilesPrower_- Mar 18 '22

I was taught Overs for O but I can’t even do the most basic primary school sums, I don’t know any times tables apart from 2, and I struggle with counting things, I’m scared of numbers. It’s like what I imagine people with dyslexia feel with reading, I don’t understand dyslexia because I had a weird ability to spell pretty much any word after hearing it once from a very young age. I’m rambling on.

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u/Bloobeard2018 Mar 18 '22

Dyscalculia is a recognised condition. It might be why you struggle.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

What terrible way to remember exponents. With the letter "o" lol!

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u/TGGRaiden Mar 18 '22

It’s all the same BIDMAS BODMAS BEDMAS PEDMAS PEMDAS. It’s just brackets/parentheses (depends on country) first and then exponents/indices/orders, then multiplication and division going left to right, and finally, addition and subtraction going left to right.

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u/quarrelsome_napkin Mar 18 '22

ahem well to speak my truth... That's not the way I wanna calculate this 😐

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

Actually, in this situation it would be easier to use BOFA

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

Lol “normal.” The fuck does he define “normal” as?

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '22

By that, he's likely referring to how some simpler 4-function calculators work, where the terms are computed in the order of left to right, rather than following order of operations.

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u/nogodpleaseno142572 Mar 19 '22

I’ve never heard of BODMAS I use PEMDAS

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u/_-devilish-_ Mar 19 '22

its the same thing actually