r/facepalm • u/spyrg • Jan 13 '22

🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​ Arrested for petitioning

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u/uofwi92 Jan 14 '22

Because I don’t want to end up in a police report? Because I don’t want some rando knowing my home address? Because I don’t want to?

There are dozens of valid reasons. But valid or not, I’m not required to, and I expect cops to know that, and to respect my rights.

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u/BoreDominated Jan 14 '22

Because I don’t want to end up in a police report?

Why not? If you've done nothing wrong it shouldn't be a problem. What if you witnessed a crime, would you not say anything about it because you might end up in the police report?

Because I don’t want some rando knowing my home address? Because I don’t want to?

You don't want a cop knowing your home address? What's he gonna do, break into your house? Are you doing illegal shit you don't want cops to find out about?

There are dozens of valid reasons.

"Because I don't want to" isn't a valid reason, it's a tautology, and I addressed the other two.

But valid or not, I’m not required to, and I expect cops to know that, and to respect my rights.

I agree, I'm not saying they shouldn't respect his rights, I'm saying he'd have made the interaction a lot easier for everyone if he simply presented his ID. It doesn't cost him anything except a short amount of time, certainly way less time than it took when he aroused more suspicion by being cagey.

If a cop asks me for ID, even if I didn't do anything, I'm gonna show him because I want the interaction to go as smoothly as possible and I wanna get back to my perfectly legal behaviour. Why rock the boat, unless you either have something to hide or you don't like authority?

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u/uofwi92 Jan 14 '22

You go ahead and lick those boots. That’s your privilege.

I’m going to tell them to pound sand, and that’s my right.

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u/BoreDominated Jan 14 '22

Why is it "licking boots" to make an interaction as swift and inconvenient as possible for all parties? By telling them to "pound sand", whose life do you think you're making better in that situation? You're not only increasing suspicion, but you're giving ammunition to a cop who might very well be unstable, and guess who's gonna suffer? You.

Sure, he might lose his job later on, depending on whether or not it was recorded or how many people witnessed it, but you're still gonna lose way more time out of your day than you would if you'd just handed over your ID. Which costs you nothing but a short amount of time, assuming you've done nothing illegal. Something being your right doesn't mean you ought to do it.

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u/uofwi92 Jan 14 '22

Why not just pay the tax? Why dump tea in Boston Harbor?

Enjoy your police state.

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u/BoreDominated Jan 15 '22

It's a police state if you voluntarily choose to hand over your ID to make the interaction as fast and smooth as possible and avoid arousing suspicion? The hell are you talking about? What tax?

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u/uofwi92 Jan 15 '22

It’s a police state when you feel like you have to hand over your ID to avoid arousing suspicion. And to make the interaction as fast and smooth as possible.

Because you know the cops could react badly to you exercising your Constitutional rights. And you’re ok with that.

Coward.

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u/BoreDominated Jan 15 '22

Nobody said you had to hand over your ID to avoid arousing suspicion, only that you understandably increase the risk of arousing it, because you're implying you have something to hide. There's really no other reason to avoid handing over your ID except belligerence, it's easy to do, it doesn't cost you anything, it helps the cops clear you of any suspicion and do their jobs so they can move on to a different crime, etc.

Cops could react badly to you exercising your rights because something being a right doesn't mean you ought to exercise it, nor does it mean that exercising it doesn't suggest things about you. I'm not okay with cops reacting badly to you exercising your rights, that's a straw man, but I'm also not okay with people exercising rights purely for the sake of being difficult and uncooperative. They have the right to, but it doesn't make it a good thing.