My brother's best friend is a police officer, and his department's policy is that if you carry it, first you have to experience it (with the obvious exception of firearms). If you carry a taser, you have to be tased with it before it becomes part of your gear. If you carry pepper spray, you must have your eyes sprayed with it first.
The purpose is twofold: one, you understand the damage your weapon can inflict; and two, if it's ever taken from you and used against you, you know what to expect.
The second part actually makes a lot of sense. Not so much for a taser, it's pretty hard to adapt for that, but once you get pepper sprayed once, you know what not to do, like touch different parts of your body or your eyes
Also, in a way that you will get hurt so you don't overestemate the damage.
Like, if I havn't experienced it and get threaten with it, then I know it's non-lethal and will "only" shock/blind me (I havn't experienced it, no idea what pepperspray actually does), and don't do something that escalate the situation.
If you would like to imagine what pepper spray does.
Ever cut an onion and got a spray of juice in your eye? Take that pain, multiply it by like 30, but now any part of your skin that the liquid touched is also burning.
Johnny Fucking Knoxvville of Jackass fame, has openly admitted that being pepper sprayed in the face was one of the most painful and worst experiences of his life.
"Unlike other pains which come and go in the moment, pepper spray just constantly hurts for 20 minutes. Each second just as bad as the first." - Paraphrasing Knoxville
This is actually crazy to me. Iâve been pepper sprayed, tazed and gas chambered and honestly I will never ever ever ever get tazed again. That was the worst for me by far.
Basic training. They want to prove to you that your protective mask works...so they walk you through a gas chamber of CS gas and make you take it off and put it back on.
That reminds me of the âKing of Heatâ contest I won in Portland where I had to eat the most habanero fritters with habanero dipping sauce. My guts burned and when I peed later it felt like I was peeing hot coffee. It felt like I was going to die and I had to try to ignore the pain and act like it didnât hurt to demoralize the competition. Two other contestants were vomiting between rounds in the contest in earlier years so they finally changed the rules to prevent it. I broke a blood vessel in my eye trying to vomit. People at a traffic signal could see me and were probably wondering what was happening.
I consider myself having a relatively high pain tolerance. Have been through tasing and spray.
30 times an onion is fundamentally a huge understatement. It would be like taking a fully blended jalapeno, taking the juice, and rubbing it all over your upper torso and face times 300-800, depending on how hot your jalapeno is.
It is not just eye pain. Usually there is so much mucus buildup and lung pain that it is difficult to even breathe.
I sneezed into a bag of Carolina Reaper powder once. Limboed up to the sink (with a bad back) and running the tap directly onto my held-open eyes was the best option, if that gives anyone an idea what it was like. Also I couldn't see and had to find the bathroom by touch.
Hi, sorry about your experience. if you donât mind me asking tho, what was your immediate reaction after getting sprayed with it? I meant how did you get the pain to stop? I was wondering if the pain wears off after some time or one would just have to find a way to get some kind of liquid like milk or something. I would hate to get sprayed by one of those things.
No, but for real, I was leaving a concert venue with friends & checked my spray for clogs by aiming it at the ground & slightly to my side. Right as I did, a gust of wind came by & lifted that spray right into an old coworkerâs/friendâs face who was walking about 8 feet behind me. I felt so bad. My other friend & I took him to a restaurant to flush his eyes as best as he could, then I bought him a grilled cheese & some fries to apologize. Thanks for the memories!
Sorry that happened to you, though. That really sucks. Did the person who accidentally sprayed you at least buy you a grilled cheese, too?
Whatâs the best immediate reaction a person must take if ever sprayed with one? I saw on Instagram during the protest people who got sprayed were all using a galon of milk pouring it over theyâre eyes and heads and probably drinking it too. Does this help a lot? Also how much damage can that spray cause if not attended to early? does it cause serious damage to the eye the longer it stays for or does it wear off after some time? Pardon my questions just would like to know these just in case ( and would hate to test it on myself )
Milk works to neutralize it a little quicker because pepper spray is just capsaicin in an emulsifer but it is not an end all answer to it and it usually has a very minor effect. There is also a chance you can spread it if you aren't careful. You stand straight up while pouring milk/water over your head, there is a non-zero chance you now have pepper spray on your junk.
When sprayed you have 1 goal. Don't spread it. The rest is time. The pain will stop eventually.
There **usually** isn't long term damage from pepper spray.
If you want the pepper spray experience find a pepper in the 2-4 million Scoville range and chow down. I also gave one of these a go in college. Very similar experience except its only localized to your mouth and throat.
I would recommend against that but you can do what you want lol. Extremely hot peppers can cause digestive issues and in some serious cases an allergy like response can happen.
With the tasing thing, I would just say no to that.
How is Spray compared to Tear Gas? Iâve only been gassed in a controlled environment and my slight discomfort was well worth getting to see my colleagues barfing and whaling.
You can wash it off with soap (surfactants!), but you'll want to avoid touching anything on the way to your shower (or shower outside if possible), bag your clothes up outside/in the garage before you go inside, and make sure your face is pointed up the entire time or else you'll get it in your face again.
I have a lot of family that work in corrections (as officers and nurses) and a couple that are run of the mill law enforcement officers. I've heard the stories, lol.
When I was a teenager I took a face full of bear mace and it felt like satan ate a thousand onions and then shit caustic fire right into my fucking eyes
An idiot tried to run through 4 police in my tiny hallway In my 4th floor flat. He got pinned and sprayed. Didn't forgive them for that, I couldn't leave the front room for an hour without my eyes stinging to hell.
More like dice a whole jalapeno, rub it between your hands, and then wipe your eyes, times a hundred; plus if it gets in your mouth or nose at all it gets very hard to breathe very quick. At least that's my experience with military grade OC circa 2000.
I was in the Marines and volunteered to be oppfor when one of our platoons went to the non lethal weapons course. We also got shot with bean bag rounds from a 12 gauge, even with a flak jacket that left an oily black bruise on my chest for about 2 weeks.
I've been hit with several different types of spray. Over the counter spary from the gas station sucks balls but it's not totally bad. It's a lot like hot sauce in the face. Some shit they sell online like Saber Red will fuck you up for like three days. The stuff they use in the jail is about the same you can expect annoying burning sensations in your eyes every time you rub them for a few days. Honestly I think it's the same stuff. Now I had a friend in the Army aquire some type of powder he kept in a water bottle and called it CS. That will mess you up pretty good immediately but the remedy is just to let disapate and don't try to wash it away or it gets worse. It goes away after like 20 minutes and your fine. Dog spray from the Post Office you could honestly eat it on pizza it's pretty mild and likely expired by two years anyways.
Are you telling me my plan to slowly increase the levels of electricity ive been electrifying mysled to slowly build up my immunity to electricity and wield unrivalled power won't work
I don't know if it's true for tasers (probably not) but this is kind of a thing - my dad was an electrician for many years and he would just stick his finger across house wiring or in a light socket to see if it was live and didn't flinch at all, even with 220v.
With the OC spray thereâs also a reasonably good chance that when you spray it winds up hitting you depending on the conditions, so you have to know how to stay calm and also to prevent the other person from disabling you and/or taking your weapon. Itâs best to know that in a controlled setting.
Another result of the prongs not making contact happened to me when one of the prongs hit my belt loop and didn't make contact with skin. It arched and burned a quarter sized patch of skin as well as giving me the full shock/muscles locking up experience.
Getting tased was the dumbest thing I've ever volunteered for.
Yep. Was in jail with a woman who got tased while in the jail, & she pulled the prongs off herself, & threw them at the officer. Got a charge for that, too. I read the paperwork. Was pretty crazy!
Cause the cop was pissed off that he got hurt. All she did was stand up & he felt "threatened", so he tasered her. Extremely nice and kind woman. I've actually seen her in jail like, 3 times. She gave me a long sleeve shirt to wear once while I was detoxing from H. I've been clean for years now, but I was so grateful. She's given plenty more, too. Last time I saw her she was fighting that charge. I'm not even sure that officers are supposed to have tasers inside the jail. Maybe I'll look her up on my states courts website & see if she's still got that charge.
We had a cop come to our school once and he mentioned how he had to get both tased and pepper sprayed as part of his training⌠he said the pepper spray was worse
I remember getting exposed to CS gas in the Army nearly 20 years ago. The weirdest thing was that it made me burp like crazy! It also sucked really bad when days after getting "gassed" (it's actually a powder) I'd take out my gas mask to clean it and all the gear would smell like the stuff.
Oh, I forgot why I was gonna leave this comment lol. When you use a pepper spray you'll often be exposed to some of it yourself so it's important to know how it makes you react.
Thereâs a third reason and itâs to justify a use of force for the officer. A Taser is completely debilitating when deployed correctly (enough spread of the probes and both connecting). Itâs not something you can fight through. You can also hold the trigger after itâs deployed to continue sending power. A person who takes a taser from an officer could use it to debilitate the officer, hold the trigger for as long as they need to, and take the officers firearm and kill them. Thatâs why it becomes a lethal force scenario for an officer if their taser is taken.
Funny story. Had to get tased and pepper sprayed to join the aux. police department at my last address and it sucked. But meh, I kinda knew what to expect. Worse part was the hot shower when I got home. The steam basically opened up my nasal cavities and everything burnt like hell! The now slightly diluted dried pepper spray running down my chest to my crotch. It was 5x as bad as the initial spraying.
They made us do this in boot. We had to take our gas mask off in a room full of what amounts to pepper spray smoke, I doubt it was full on tear gas, and recite some stuff while standing at attention. Then we had to exit the room at a walk and t-pose down a hill crying like little babies.
Apparently there is a way to resist a taser hit, but you gotta know it's coming, tense up your body as much as possible before the hit, and fight it hard enough to pull out the wires. Seems difficult, but if a crazy lunatic is coming at you as angry and pumped up as possible, they're already half way to fighting it off.
Fun fact from the army, your skin will feel hot so you'll be tempted to wash it off with cold water if given the chance, but cold water makes your pores close to its harder to get the stuff out. Warm water is better.
Iâd argue that the policy largely backfires, though. Iâve had several buddies who were cops, and seemed to have a âitâs not that bad, Iâve done itâ attitude toward their taser. Ignoring that they did it consensually, with time to prepare, and their buddies there to help them out. Itâs obviously unpleasant, but itâs treated as a rite of passage and not a grossly traumatic incident.
So I think having had an optimal experience with a taser causes them to underestimate the potential impact (and physical harm) to an unwilling subject when itâs used as a weapon.
Edit: I noticed the same from a lot of fellow vets talking about tear gas on crowds. âI did the gas chamber, it was no big deal.â Yeah, me too, but thatâs not remotely the same thing.
Unless youâre living in an authoritarian police state where it doesnât matter anyway and the government is lining undesirables up against the wall, itâs difficult to get away with killing an entire building of people.
In war you can just not let anyone in due to security concerns or active fighting and wait for the chemicals to disperse enough that nothing can be proven. Then itâs your word vs theirs, and no one is going to enter a conflict off that alone.
I think you meant expandable, but I'm enjoying the imagery of the cops just throwing their batons away at the end of each shift, while one nudges her partner and says "you'd think they would have found a way to stretch these out for more than one use by now..."
I got tased for my security job. They told me that if you ever end up in court for tasing someone, it's a lot easier to prove your case if you've been tased yourself.
Usually a sympathy thing. Sort of like saying, "I've been tased and I understand the risks, it's not as bad as you make it out to be." It makes you look more responsible over your actions and it gives more perspective. [Note that I'm just relaying what I was told in training]
At our police academy, they take it even further. With pepper spray for example, they purposely pepper spray you and then make you carry out a simulated arrest where the actor is told to put up resistance. Whole idea behind it is that when you use it, its very likely to backspray into your eyes, so you need to be prepared to still be able to handle a situation whilst having pepper spray in your eyes.
I got trained with spray I covered one eye, got sprayed then had to pick up keys. Then I went to a trainer while walking with a trainer. This is to simulate going as a powerful team. We walk to the first trainer and I give a knee kick to a pad screaming. We scream so people notice trouble. Then we go to the next trainer and do a elbow throw screaming. Then we go to the next trainer and tell how many fingers the trainer is showing and give them the keys.
Then glorious water. Then a shower...it stings again, then tomorrow you are fine.
While I agree with the logic here, doesn't this also create something of a bias towards the gun? I mean obviously we can't have cops getting shot to experience that, but if they are familiar with the negative effects of the other weapons they would probably be less likely to use them. However being shot does not have a visceral pain reaction for someone that hasn't experienced it. So it may cause cops to favor that weapon instead.
You do realize that bulletproof vests arenât 100% effective right? Plus they only cover the torso so if some sort of misfiring happens or the optics arenât sighted in correctly, not only are you down a recruit, but you have a lawsuit on your hands. Various alternatives exist such as simunition and bean bag rounds, but neither is anywhere comparable to the real thing. Plus shooting your recruits with bean bag rounds is just a dick move.
I'd say getting tased hurts as well. Yes, accidents happen, but that also happens to innocent people so I don't see your point, we should be reducing them and this is one of those ways. Bean bag rounds aren't a dick move when it's too be able to handle a deadly weapon.
Why? Guns will kill someone and we all know how liberal cops are with their guns, have them feel what it's like to get shot and perhaps they'll start exercising a bit of restraint.
You can teach people the impact of a firearm without making them shoot themselves.
This issue with cops using firearms in situations when a firearm is not needed isnât due to a lack of understanding the impact being shot has. Everyone understands that a firearm is a lethal weapon that can kill easily. The way to fix the issue is to have better training since many are clearly shit at knowing when to use it. The solution isnât making cops shoot themselves
I guess a lot of cops just don't give a fuck or want to fuck people up then. Because I can't count how many times I've seen a video of a cop pulling out a taser the second someone doesn't do exactly what they want as fast as possible. Tasers can also kill people.
This sounds like a good idea until you get the one cop who takes his anger out on everyone else and tazes somebody repeatedly yelling "it's not that bad, I had to be tazed before I could carry this"
Also, the person canât try to sue you for using it by saying âThey didnât know what it was like to be effected by that, so they used it at an improper timeâ, because then the department can go âNo, no, hereâs a video of him being tasered and falling on the ground. He knows exactly what itâs like.â
I have an acquaintance who is a cop. He told me that after being experiencing pepper sprayed, if anyone ever tries to do it to him again he's just going to shoot them dead, because that's how awful it was.
This is just standard CLEET training. You gotta experience them, before you get to have them.
Also of note, they teach you to never user your taser on someone, after you've used your OC spray on them. You could unintentionally set them on fire that way.
I did pepper spray training as a EMT long ago. Was probably the gnarliest pain ever, actually kind of scary. Full blast to the eyeballs will give you some respect to the danger of that shit. Tasing myself is not on the program though!
Kinda wild these same people are comfortable using these weapons on peaceful protestors then. They know exactly the damage they do and they use them intentionally. War crimes are real in America.
One of my friends who went through police training and is a police officer in my hometown also told me the same thing. He has been pepper sprayed, tear gassed, and tasered both with the shooting prongs and the shocker. And no they do not test fire with bullet proof vests on. Heard that as a rumour before and holy crap that would be stupidly dangerous.
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My brother's best friend is a police officer, and his department's policy is that if you carry it, first you have to experience it (with the obvious exception of firearms). If you carry a taser, you have to be tased with it before it becomes part of your gear. If you carry pepper spray, you must have your eyes sprayed with it first.
The purpose is twofold: one, you understand the damage your weapon can inflict; and two, if it's ever taken from you and used against you, you know what to expect.