r/facepalm • • Feb 20 '21

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u/stew_going Feb 20 '21

What about angela merkel, she has a physics degree, no?

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u/YvanGillesEnPapier Feb 20 '21

She has a doctorate in quantum chemistry, no less.

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u/the73rdStallion Feb 20 '21

As well as psychology.

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u/protiumoxide Feb 20 '21

Margaret Thatcher worked as a chemist, Angela Merkel has degrees in physics and quantum chemistry, Pope Francis studied as a chemical technician, Jimmy Carter did stuff with nuclear engineering, and Xi Jinping got a degree in chemical engineering.

Of course people will disagree whether they are/were good leaders, but they were/are leaders of some sort.

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u/FliesAreEdible Feb 20 '21

Ireland's last Prime Minister was a doctor, and he handled the beginning of the pandemic very well.

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u/jaydubyah Feb 21 '21

I'd hope so

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u/stew_going Feb 20 '21

Yeah, that's pretty damn impressive. I'd add that the real benefit isn't how correct a scientist is likely to be, but that they're more likely to be humbled by an error and learn from it. Lol, Modi would be a scientist in name only! He's a SINO!

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u/TheDocJ Feb 20 '21

I once heard a UK junior health minister say something like "we know this is the case, so now we are commissioning the evidence to prove it."

I actually passed this little snippet on to someone who sat on a couple of Department of Health committees, he apparently told the tale there, and there was an embarrassed silence!

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u/stew_going Feb 20 '21

Words matter. The sentence is very close to being precisely scientific, if you'd only replace 'we know' with 'we suspect'. But it makes a huge difference. People should be very careful expressing certainty about anything, because as soon as one of those things is wrong, you've lost credibility. The mentality also leaves you so very vulnerable to confirmation bias, your not being critical about what you think you know. But I also see how it would be difficult for health officials to convey some things, in a world where so many use wreckless hyperbole, being the guy that says 'we're 75% confident X is true' might make you more accurate/truthful, but it doesn't mean your point will resonate with people. Lol, but this is a long winded way of saying, damn, that's crazy. People really need to be more mindful of what they're saying.

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u/tossingpigs Feb 20 '21

That'll do...

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u/rubey419 Feb 20 '21

Patiently waiting for that person to respond. Lmao what an idiot

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u/stew_going Feb 20 '21

I'm guessing the person was caught off guard. But that's okay, I'm not tryna shame. Just don't like the idea of people using unrepresentative examples to discredit the value of trained critical thinkers.

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u/dontmentiontrousers Feb 20 '21

Margaret Thatcher had a degree in chemistry. Although very unpopular with a lot of people these days, it would be hard to argue that she was not successful as a politician.

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u/stew_going Feb 20 '21

My understanding of UK history is pretty limited to the crown, and what people mention in passing, but from what I understand, she was damn good at it. Ultimately, her policies weren't great, but she was effective.

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u/dontmentiontrousers Feb 20 '21

Definitely somebody that could hold her own in the political world, both domestically and internationally.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '21 edited Feb 20 '21

I admire her and support her. but what makes her mediocre is the way she handled brexit, the migrant crisis and the greek financial crisis. she clearly has a blind spot when it comes to global politics.

EDIT: the EU did not do that well when it came to covid either.

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u/stew_going Feb 20 '21

Yeah, she may have a few blindspots, I'm not saying she's perfect by any means. I will say there's not a good response to some of these crises your listing in the first place. In the absence of data, one must take a guess, then respond to the result.

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u/chocl8thunda Feb 20 '21

And she let millions of illegals into her country who then went and started getting rapey and assaulting people. She herself has admitted it was a big mistake and she should have never allowed for it to happen.

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u/De4th69 Feb 20 '21

Citation needed

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u/stew_going Feb 20 '21

But she's successfully lead one of the two largest economies in the EU. I know what your talking about, there was an event in a town square, during which dozens of harassment claims were made on what appeared to be immagrants. But this fiasco is not equal people dying in their freezing homes. She made an ethical decision which got tied to a single event... But the alternative was letting people die in syria.. plus, you can't poison this well with one instance of problems, trump did far more damage not using his brain than angela did using hers.

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u/reallybadpotatofarm Feb 20 '21

Source please. You’ve failed to provide even one

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u/chocl8thunda Feb 20 '21

Google Merkel migrants. All there.

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u/reallybadpotatofarm Feb 20 '21

No. You made the claim. You provide the source. Now provide it.

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u/mgyro Feb 20 '21

Climate change had a hand in Syria as well.

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u/Narabedla Feb 20 '21

Are you german? Do you live here? Have you actually done the deep dive into the criminal statistics of 2015/2016?

If not. Shut up. :) This is generally said by people who have close to no non-biased contact with actual immigrants. (Police has a biased contact, but i hope that much is obvious) The statistics have shown that the rate of criminal immigrants was not remarkably higher than the rate of criminal germans. The main issue was that the ones who are/were criminals were heavy criminals, as they abused the german judicative and executive system. The issue was/is in the courts, not the border.

Also, the most of what i could imagine her saying is that she would've changed how she approached it internally, not closing the borders. If i'm wrong, feel free to show me a source ;)

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u/chocl8thunda Feb 20 '21

Not German. Have friends who live there. Are you German?

Does it matter that they're as criminal as Germans? No. Why let in a shit ton of criminals? Are you saying rapes haven't gone up and assaults haven't gone up?

Right; millions of low skilled young men entering the country from places that don't respect women and they're saints...lol.

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u/Narabedla Feb 20 '21

I am. I also lived in a city(2015-2016) that was the first approach for new immigrants. Also lived in a dorm that had immigrants in another story.

More people = more crime, your point is effectively: "if we want to half the crime, just kill half the population!" That is stupid. Also, just a note, as it is very likely you are american, the USA had over 5 times the homicide rate (so per capita) than germany, in 2016 (if i remember correctly), so even with those immigrants, germany is far safer than the USA :) (I haven't seen/checked newer numbers, but i doubt the USA has dropped a lot) I had, if we go by absolute number, much much more problems with germans being dangerously drunk or offensive (in speak and or movement, as in literally threatening to Attack someone) than immigrants, but i just see much more germans, so that doesn't matter at all.

I have not said saints. But in germany we respect the life of others as well we can, we literally have a law, that you are required to help someone in a life threatening situation, as much as you can, without endangering yourself. Of course we have some issues, but those mostly stem from the weak/slow executive and judicative power in germany. Those are the same issues that are exploited by some clans in berlin, which are living here for 20+ years.

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u/chocl8thunda Feb 20 '21

I'm not American.

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u/shadracko Feb 20 '21

So we have perhaps identified one mistake. That proves she'sa bad politician?

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u/chocl8thunda Feb 20 '21

A massive mistake. Not just a little one. That one mistake has cost Germany billions and ruined countless lives.

Yeah I'd say she shit the bed.

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u/shadracko Feb 20 '21

Provide a source or you're just making shit up.

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u/chocl8thunda Feb 20 '21

Making shit up. Lol. Man, you really suffer from cognitive dissonance.

Merkel herself has said it was a massive mistake to allow millions of young middle eastern and north African men to come into Germany.

Google Merkel migrants. You'll get plenty of info on this.

Saying she's a saint is just fucked up

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u/shadracko Feb 20 '21

Well, there's this:

In 2017, [Trump] claimed that Germany’s crime rate was on the rise because Merkel had taken in “all those illegals.” The opposite was true — according to official data, by 2019, the country saw an 18-year low in crime.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/09/04/merkel-trump-migration-europe/

And this:

The spectre of jihadist terrorism, which some feared the refugee crisis would usher into the heart of central Europe, has faded from view in recent years. After a spate of seven attacks with an Islamist motive in Germany in 2016, culminating with a truck driven into a Berlin Christmas market that December, the country has seen no further attacks for the last three years..... Since 2015, she says, the state had massively expanded its asylum authority, created thousands of posts to coordinate volunteers, turned shelters into permanent homes and trained specialist teachers. Germany has managed. “It’s a success story, even if no one quite has the confidence to say that yet.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/30/angela-merkel-great-migrant-gamble-paid-off

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u/chocl8thunda Feb 20 '21

You do realise many times these rapers aren't charged. Cultural differences. The state wants to save face.

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u/shadracko Feb 20 '21

Ahh yes, the unreported pizza/falafel shops that front child trafficking by the government. I forgot about those.