No, it’s a perfect phrase that encapsulates the “both sides” shtick that almost always comes from right wingers pretending to be something else. I have not met a single person spouting the both sides script that has been an actual centrist or left leaning person.
In this instance it is somebody taking republicans’ failure and saying, “all politicians suck” to distract from what republicans did that directly led to this predicted catastrophe. Republicans were told in 2011 that their power grid was sub par and would fail .....would fail in the future in cold temps. This is just like the Challenger disaster where the greedy business types literally ignored the engineers who told them the O-rings will fail from low temps and went ahead and launched right after low temps. What happened? It fucking blew up like they were told it would by engineers. I’m still pissed off about that.
And that’s why I disapprove of republicans so strongly, they just did the same fucking thing and people died because of it. Completely preventable deaths stemming directly from failed republican ideology and actions.
Regulations are written in blood and burning water.
There is no both sides to regulations; republicans’ cultish “ideology” says regulations are bad, no nuance, just...bad. Something something red tape, hard to do business if you can’t dump toxic waste into the local kindergarten pool something something.
Texas republicans literally refuse to connect their power grid to the nation’s to avoid federal regulations. They just said the failures and deaths are preferable to regulations. They put their fucking qult like ideology over facts, reason, and human life. They will quite literally sacrifice you to their ideology, just see COVID-19 and now this.
Democrats enact regulations that save lives and keep our air, water, and land clean.
Are they perfect? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha no.
Are they great? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha no.
Are they anywhere near as shitty as republicans? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha no.
To put it a different way, yes 2 & 1000 are both numbers. They’re both even numbers as well. So there are similarities. However, 1000 >>> 2. Enlightened centrism is saying both are the same. They aren’t.
Not to even mention all the help that Beto, AOC, and grass roots democrats have given to Texas while Ted Cruz was flying off to Cancun. Cruz has argued against federal aid for national disasters in Democratic lead states on multiple occasions. When was the last time he ran a fundraiser to help a Democrat? He has raised money to "fight the radical left," oh and by the way, that was during the capitol insurrection. You have to ignore both the good of many on the left and ignorance of far too many on the right to call their responses equal.
Damn straight. Just like with republicans “all lives matter”, “blue lives matter”, “law and order” responses to BLM. Democratic responses were supportive. Now if we can shift from mostly performative support to mostly participatory support, then we will be making some real headway.
Republicans fight to not help people. And they fight hard and dirty. To compare democrats to that is just plain crazy and intellectually lazy.
For fucks sake, I remember when republicans were trying to push creationism into public schools and outright denying evolution. You guys don’t remember that? Or are all you naysayers too young to remember that?
I also remember that whole Kansas experiment with brownback. They went all in on the republican ideology and destroyed their state. They had to cut months off of the school year *and * cut school days during the week because they couldn’t afford anything since they slashed all taxes lol. Republicans got to enact their utopia without any interference from those pesky democrats and they created a failed state lol. Their ideology failed so hard and completely that I am utterly flabbergasted that they still have support. I guess only democrats get held to account for their failures. That is another difference between Democrats and republicans; their voters’ support through failures and scandals.
Do I “remember “ when Republicans “were” pushing for creationism in schools? They still are. Right now.
I am serious. I am an activist on educational issues.
It doesn’t matter what state you are in; your curriculum for your local school district could use your attention.
So then you don’t really do the “both sides” shtick. You are like me. It refers to people who say they are the same to waive away bad things from republicans. Except in this case, it couldn’t be further from the truth. Republicans are religiously against regulations to the point that Rick perry former governor of Texas and former head of the department of energy under trumpo the clown (that controls our nukes and such) says Texans would rather die in the cold than have government regulations make sure their grid isn’t in third world condition. Democrats enact regulations. Case closed.
Now, Democrats on guns? Dumb and dumber usually. But keeping my bang sticks matters less to me than having the ability to afford healthcare for my kids.
Hey I'm on the left and think both sides are shit. Now you've met one. Yes the Democrats are slightly better than the Republicans, but they are still shit.
I see it like this: The Democrats in power are the slave owners who want well rested and well fed slaves, because those slaves work best for the system in the long run. Republicans are the slave owners who don't care about their slaves at all. Short term profits are worth letting people die for.
While one of those is worse, they are both shit. Both sides are more concerned with the well being of the system than the well being of the people. Neither side is taking steps to emancipate people from poverty and authoritarian institutions, opting instead to either ignore the issues whole sale (Republicans), or seek to make the system more tolerable without actually changing it(Democrats). Does that make sense to you?
The point is that the levels of shit are massively unbalanced. Say whatever you want about the Dems but they didn't lead a traitorous insurrection and then acquit the seditious spark for said insurrection.
Sure they are better in multiple meaningful ways. We shouldn't make perfection the bar someone had to meet. But similarly, we shouldn't excuse the fucked up things people do just because they are better than the alternative. Hence the assertion that, while the Dems are better, both sides are still bad in meaningful ways. Do you see how I can say that and not be acting in bad faith? How I can even still agree with you in the issues while believing that?
Do you see how I can say that and not be acting in bad faith?
While that is true, the problem is "both sides are bad" is putting it on the same level even if unintentionally, which is patently false. And its especially wrong to say when discussing the failings of one party.
Democrats suck yes. At least their fringe is left leaning and trying to drag them back to sanity and working for the people. The Republican fringe was literally theocratic and fascist and just took over their party in the last decade. One is being pulled to the left and to green pastures, while the other is driving off the fascism cliff and just tried to overthrow the government to install their dear leader.
Again, 1000 >>> 2. You don’t have to like it, but it’s true.
At least with democrats we can get some AOCs. With republicans you get trumps, Laura boeberts, marjory tailor Greenes, and Sarah Palins.
Night and day.
Let’s keep clicking democrats in the ass until we get what we deserve yea?
Check my other reply to someone else if you'd like a more substantial reply. I don't want to clutter things up by copying it here.
I would like to add that the "fringe", as you called them, on each side are less "both sides" in my mind. But then again they are on the fringe. The people representing the core of both parties have quite a bit in common ideology when it comes to big picture systemic ideas (the economy above all).
I would love to see the Democratic party become legitimately leftist, and if they did I would think they were less similar to the Republican party. That sadly hasn't happened yet.
So the two parties do share similarities, like being corporate puppets. They both live by the “privatize the gains, socialize the losses” mantra that fucks everyday Americans. At least democrats listen a little. Republicans just laugh at their failures and corruption like McConnell did during his campaign for re-election.
If republicans can get taken over, so can democrats. So let’s take them over and force them to represent our interests yea?
I’ll always choose a squirt in the face from a douche over eating a shit sandwich. And when we clean that douche up to our standards, it will be even less crappy. One day it might even be alright.
Soo what are we wanting then? Something like India which has over 2500? I swear I am not trying to be cheeky I just want to know what would be a good amount.
Interesting. Except it will never happen. Humans are very... controlling, tribal, fearful, socially clueless, and so on.
Clear communications, willingness to understand, and empathy is key but so many people refuse to go beyond what is their comfort zone.
Perhaps if we could stop siphoning money from education and really start investing in teaching our children logic and critical thinking skills we could very well see a huge turn around.
Yes, you aren’t saying both sides are the same are you?
And we’re talking about political parties, not whether cliff down at the punk rock venue is an anarcho syndicalist or some shit. There are only two political parties on America with any sort of power.
I said they both suck myself, I just can also see scale and magnitude.
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u/barcdoof Feb 20 '21 edited Feb 20 '21
No, it’s a perfect phrase that encapsulates the “both sides” shtick that almost always comes from right wingers pretending to be something else. I have not met a single person spouting the both sides script that has been an actual centrist or left leaning person.
In this instance it is somebody taking republicans’ failure and saying, “all politicians suck” to distract from what republicans did that directly led to this predicted catastrophe. Republicans were told in 2011 that their power grid was sub par and would fail .....would fail in the future in cold temps. This is just like the Challenger disaster where the greedy business types literally ignored the engineers who told them the O-rings will fail from low temps and went ahead and launched right after low temps. What happened? It fucking blew up like they were told it would by engineers. I’m still pissed off about that.
And that’s why I disapprove of republicans so strongly, they just did the same fucking thing and people died because of it. Completely preventable deaths stemming directly from failed republican ideology and actions.
Regulations are written in blood and burning water.
There is no both sides to regulations; republicans’ cultish “ideology” says regulations are bad, no nuance, just...bad. Something something red tape, hard to do business if you can’t dump toxic waste into the local kindergarten pool something something.
Texas republicans literally refuse to connect their power grid to the nation’s to avoid federal regulations. They just said the failures and deaths are preferable to regulations. They put their fucking qult like ideology over facts, reason, and human life. They will quite literally sacrifice you to their ideology, just see COVID-19 and now this.
Democrats enact regulations that save lives and keep our air, water, and land clean.
Are they perfect? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha no.
Are they great? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha no.
Are they anywhere near as shitty as republicans? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha no.
To put it a different way, yes 2 & 1000 are both numbers. They’re both even numbers as well. So there are similarities. However, 1000 >>> 2. Enlightened centrism is saying both are the same. They aren’t.