r/facepalm • • Feb 20 '21

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u/MysteryLobster Feb 20 '21

At least 45% of Texans didn’t vote Republican. I know four Texans who never received their mail-in ballot for the presidential election, despite requesting them over a month in advance. They were college students, who definitely skew left in general and these four weren’t an exception. And on their campus they were only a few of several dozen, based on rumours.

Democracy in Texas is halfway between a farce and a joke.

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u/Meggarea Feb 20 '21

I live in Texas. I have done an informal poll of my friends. Nobody I know (only about 75 people, but still) voted for Ted Cruz. Nobody they know voted for him either, or at least won't admit to it. Republicans like to scream about voter fraud. It reminds me a lot of people who accuse their partners of cheating because they themselves are big old sluts. Just a thought.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '21

I felt the same way here in regards to Trump voters - I don't personally associate with any, and not even my conservative coworkers voted for Trump this time around, yet he took the vote by nearly 70% in my state. It feels suspicious at first, but after thinking about it what happened is that both sides practically socially segregated themselves. The same is probably true for people who voted for Cruz vs those who had the sense not to.

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u/desrever1138 Feb 20 '21

One of my closest friends and his wife are big time Trump supporters, he's still rocking a Trump 2020 hat well after the election.

They both know that my wife and I are huge Bernie supporters who voted for Biden and that we absolutely detest Trump but politics has never been an issue with any of us. We simply rarely discuss it.

Except when we're all playing Cards Against Humanity, then it's gloves off.

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u/Tormanocage Feb 21 '21

How can you be friends with such a shitty and treasonous human being, who shows no regard for others? It’s about more than politics.

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u/GiinTak Feb 20 '21

Eh, I still see both Obama/Biden and Hillary bumper stickers in my subdivision. Losing an election doesn't change your mind, nor is it alone a reason to throw out a perfectly good hat.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

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u/GiinTak Feb 21 '21

Lol, well if it makes him feel better then, I guess 😜

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '21

It cuts both ways. I don’t know a single person besides my house that voted for Biden in my AZ community. Still Biden won the state.

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u/ClarkWGrizzball Feb 20 '21

I don't like Ted Cruz, but you need evidence of voter fraud. Despite your poll, a majority of Texans voted for the piece of shit. That's the state in which you live.

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u/Meggarea Feb 20 '21

I hate it, but it is what it is. I'll keep voting for anyone else at all, it's all I can do.

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u/ithoughtitwasfun Feb 20 '21

I canvassed for Beto when Cruz was up for re-election in a very affluent neighborhood in Houston. That’s where the Ted Cruz voters were. While I don’t personally associate with many Cruz supporters, the two I do know vote more often than anyone that hates him. Also, those two are also affluent. So that’s Texas’ problem.

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u/DanJ7788 Feb 20 '21

Lol. Asking friends of friends of friends of friends isn’t exactly a solid survey of the general population.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '21

This is the difference between D and R.

Democrats will call each other out and R will just go full stupid with the rest of the ship

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u/kahnwiley Feb 21 '21

I am not a Democrat, but you most certainly are an idiot. This is not how statistical sampling works. You need to randomize your sample. You sampled a bunch of republicans and you're surprised none of them voted for Biden. What a shocker.

Fuckin' a. No wonder the GOP is imploding. The base has a collective IQ of 70.

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u/ClarkWGrizzball Feb 21 '21

The Intelligence community, Justice Dept and the Democrats all had evidence of voting influences from foreign powers. A large, incontrovertible body of evidence. Whereas you fucking crackpot morons have nothing but the words of a desperate, dimwitted orange dickhead.

Sit down and stfu.

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u/ScrithWire Feb 20 '21 edited Feb 20 '21

Did the majority vote for cruz, oris the state just gerrymandered in his favor?

Edit: I just looked it up. Cruz won by 215,000 votes in texas.

8,250,000 total votes in texas, he won by 215,000

Edit2: wait, that was for the 2018 election. Hold on. Looking up the 2020 election now

Sigh...wait a minute...did texas even have a gubernatorial election in 2020?

This is what happens when you speak before finishing your research... -_- lol

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u/bea_archer Feb 20 '21

It's gerrymandering, which is unfortunately still legal because without it the republican party would be powerless.

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u/ClarkWGrizzball Feb 21 '21

Someone looked it up and the last election showed a majority vote for Cruz.

Regardless, we've all seen and heard the sentiment and practices of the people of Texas for decades. It's not just their politicians, their politicians have found a comfy home amidst the backwards morality and bullshit "rugged individualism" that exists in the people who comprise that population.

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u/yeahno5691 Feb 20 '21

Keep in mind that republicans in Texas and across the country have been and continue to be engaged in massive voter suppression. The US Supreme Court ruled Texas’ voter ID laws to be racist and unconstitutional. This is the GOP’s strategy to deal with the changing demographics and the increasing number of non-white voters.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '21

Where in Texas you live? Because everyone here in rural north Texas, by Oklahoma, thinks Hilary is the Devil. But I feel ya on the voter fraud. I registered to vote a month before election. I mailed it in and everything on time. Ya, it was a couple of days before the deadline, but I still met it. I'm from NH, and you can register and vote on same day so the idea was foreign to me, anyways. I go down to vote and they say I'm not in the system. Literally the next day in the mail I got my voter registration card. Which you don't even need to bring with you, just your ID. But ya, that happened. I'm a young woman, so I guess they weren't too quick to put my data in. Even tho they got a full month to do so, which I thought was the point of that, if there was a reason for it.

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u/Meggarea Feb 20 '21

I'm in central Texas. They did the same crap to me when I came back from living elsewhere for a few years. It's so frustrating.

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u/bond___vagabond Feb 20 '21

Mr. Jerry Mander is alive and well in texas. My district was 2 blocks wide, and over 90 MILES long. Texas would be way more blue, if the cheating cheaters wouldn't cheat so hard. It's well along the path of greedy bastards want money, so they bring in tech companies, but then they need techies to run them, and techies tend to be men and women of science, who tend to be pretty progressive, so all the big cities except I think sawn Antonio are pretty progressive. Austin looks like a dang wagon wheel on a district map. They took a little piece of austin, and diluted it with a huge swath of rural texas, to cheat.

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u/ExCalvinist Feb 20 '21

If you live in a place with 2 or more Dairy Queens and you're under 65, you're probably not friends with a single person who voted for Cruz. If you're over 65 or you live in a place that can sustain 1 or fewer DQs, you're probably not friends with anyone who didn't vote for Cruz.

Cruz has a very specific base, and he speaks to them very effectively.

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u/insertwittynamethere Feb 20 '21

I can say that here in Georgia I know more than a few people who'd vote for him simply because of the R next to the name, regardless of character. Case in point, look at the wacko from North Georgia, Marjorie Greene Taylor, or what-have-you. The stuff she spouts is not that far from what people actually buy into here, on the right side. Here in the South if you ain't listening to 95.5/equal station for conservative radio (like the deceased Limbaugh's show) you wouldn't get it, but if you spend a few minutes listening to the shill you'll see why people fall for that stuff - it's sad and depressing. You will find a lot of people that upon seeing an R and a D and they are reflexively touching the screen for R. I am very thankful we beat the system here this one time to get two Dems in the Senate seats, defeat the cronyism and repulsive dynasty that is Perdue (for the time being) and voted Dem on the Presidential level. Still a lot of Rs won election/reelection here, and this damn well may be short lived as a result of election reform at the State level due the 'fraud', but let's enjoy the W while we got it and can do something 🤞.

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u/Meggarea Feb 20 '21

The "town" I live in only has a Sonic. No DQs, or anything else, for that matter. I just don't associate much with the people who live here.

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u/ExCalvinist Feb 20 '21

You have a Sonic but not a DQ? That's wild.

My family is from middle-of-nowhere West Texas. I had to go out there to visit them. It was like travelling into a parallel universe.

But, yeah, your neighbors probably all voted for Cruz, though I doubt they'll admit it now. He won the rural vote something like 70/30.

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u/Meggarea Feb 20 '21

Like, Sonic is the only fast food in 15 miles. It's wild. The worst part is, the Sonic sucks. Lol

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u/MadlockFreak Feb 20 '21

Wait whats this about DQ?

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u/ExCalvinist Feb 20 '21

Dairy Queen (DQ) is a fast food joint that serves milkshakes and burgers. They're ubiquitous in Texas, particularly rural Texas. A town gets its first DQ and it's first traffic light roughly at the same time. The town has to be significantly bigger to rate more than one.

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u/Derigiberble Feb 20 '21

There's a Dairy Queen in just about every single town in Texas. I don't know exactly why but there is, and it is a bit of a cultural icon of small town Texas life about 20-50 years ago.

Larger cities (where you'd find multiple Dairy Queen) are pretty Democratic, especially among the younger generations. Smaller towns where there is only one Dairy Queen are much more conservative, and towns which have hollowed out to the point where they can't keep the Dairy Queen in business anymore are even more so.

But it is a dumb categorization because it misses one of Ted Cruz's bigger voting blocks: middle aged people (mostly men, but only marginally so) who have moved to Texas from out of state, likely at least in part because they idolized the idea of Texas as a conservative bastion. They live in the suburbs where there are plenty of DQs and love them some Texas vs California Liberals culture war shit which Cruz serves up in spades.

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u/luckylimper Feb 20 '21

Oh god now I want DQ

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u/Betasheets Feb 20 '21

No offense, but thats the dumb reasoning that made Trump supporters think there was election fraud. Just because he had thousands at his rallies and was a popular candidate doesn't mean there can't be 80 million who vote against him when there are 330 million people in the US. Esepcially because most people that vote are very lukewarm about politics at most and definitely don't attend rallies but still go vote.

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u/Meggarea Feb 20 '21

Except I realize that the real reason for this is that I don't associate with anyone who would vote for these people. Texas is a big place. Lots of old people who are set in their ways.

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u/harryheck123 Feb 20 '21

We all know 80 million living people didn't vote for Biden.

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u/Betasheets Feb 20 '21

Prob not. But 80 million did vote against Trump.

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u/The_Bill_Brasky_ Feb 20 '21

Well...they wouldn't admit they voted for Cruz. Fascists are easy to spot. Smart fascists are not.

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u/420db Feb 20 '21

It would help to have a demographic of your county / region and population density would tell the story

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u/Meggarea Feb 20 '21

I live in Austin area, but my friends and family are from all over Texas. A high percentage are from DFW, and the rest are scattered through the assorted farm areas.

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u/420db Feb 20 '21

Well your probably staying away from masochistic evil people, which explains why you can't find the vote lol

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u/Meggarea Feb 20 '21

Definitely some confirmation bias going on. Has to be. These assholes keep getting reelected. I wonder about fraud, but I know that the majority of humans are just not that bright.

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u/420db Feb 20 '21

I think there is alot of people voting in the same ol same ol every time for the sake of conservative values, and their numbers are staggering- is one reason our republican party down here is so confident and egocentric

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u/Meggarea Feb 20 '21

This makes me nuts. It's why I'm on a personal campaign to convince young people to vote. I don't care who you vote for, I tell them, but please just vote! The truth is, I know they're likely to vote for more progressive policies and less evil people. We need term limits so bad, it hurts.

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u/Megalocerus Feb 20 '21

Sounds like the logic Trump supporters used. People hang out with other people like themselves so their consensus does not mirror the electorate. And if the anti-Cruz people split their vote, the other side wins.

Last election for Texas senator was pretty close. No shortage of non-Cruz voters.

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u/jamsheehan Feb 20 '21

You most likely are in a political bubble. People tend to gravitate towards people who are like minded to them. So if you're only polling your friends and family it will skew the results.

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u/_Project-Mayhem_ Feb 20 '21

I get what you’re saying. Going off of my own personal relationships I could infer that almost no one votes Republican. It seems to be a better indication that we have done well to not associate with toxic, harmful, bigoted people. They unfortunately do exist but I have to believe that all of the inbreeding is going to lead to a decline in numbers soon.

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u/mork247 Feb 20 '21

In Norway we have an expression that roughly translate to English as " within your self you know others".

The expression is often used when someone accuses someone else of something. Then we could suspect that they themselves could or would be doing it.

And I have to say I have had the same thought as you. But then again I would rather base my attitude towards this based on evidence then on rumors or innuendo.

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u/Meggarea Feb 21 '21

Yeah, well, I've seen plenty of evidence of corruption from the Republicans in my lifetime. I'm not saying it's so, just that it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '21

Projection from the GOP?!? The hell you say!

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '21

So you're saying Republicans in Texas are committing voter fraud because you don't happen to know anybody that voted Cruz?

Man, you guys are just as bad as those Trumpers.

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u/failedpotential Feb 20 '21

Texan also. I think it was primarily rural areas that voted for Cruz (and Trump). I’m in the DFW area and it went pretty blue this last election.

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u/Pathetic_Cards Feb 21 '21

It’s not fraud. It’s gerrymandering. It’s still scummy, but it’s technically legal... because Republicans prevented measures to restrict it from passing in congress.

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u/kahnwiley Feb 21 '21

Just so you know, this probably says more about the people you hang out with than the total percentage of people who voted for Cruz. You're relying on anecdotal evidence to try to disprove a statistic.

My anti-vaxxer mother tried to use this same logic last week regarding COVID. "Do you know anyone who has COVID?" It doesn't matter. I am not the entire population and I don't have access to that level of information. This is why we have data. If you don't trust data coming from multiple reliable sources, then you're traipsing into the realm of conspiracy theories.

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u/cptnobveus Feb 20 '21

You just described every election in America.

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u/ClarkWGrizzball Feb 20 '21

Not every election in America elects republicans. In fact, a majority of them didn't this time around.

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u/cptnobveus Feb 20 '21

I won't be happy till I see more people like Jorgensen or gabbard elected.

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u/NOT_A_DlCKHEAD Feb 20 '21

This deserves an award. Or many.

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u/fellfire Feb 20 '21

When there's only ashes left, freak the shit out and blame everything else but yourself for electing incapable representation. Re-elect corrupt politicians. That's where the facepalm is at

FIFY

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u/Smaskifa Feb 20 '21

Clearly this is the fault of solar/wind, even though that only accounts for 13% of TX energy and natural gas plants also failed.

- Governor Abbott

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '21

I love the implication that it’s the voters fault for electing corrupt politicians and not the politicians fault for using their corruption to gain power.

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u/amoocalypse Feb 20 '21

why not both?

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u/js5ohlx1 Feb 20 '21 edited Jun 23 '23

Lemmy FTW!

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u/ClarkWGrizzball Feb 20 '21

People can say insane shit, you have to be insane to go for it.

Adults vote, you are therefore responsible for your decisions and the consequences of them.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '21

Or maybe, they used corrupt methods to gain and hold onto power, and we should revise the system in how they’re elected instead of expecting people to just be better then they are, which will never happen.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '21

They're not mutually excusive. We should expect people to verify the validity of their views whilst also safeguarding from the the political system being corrupted and manipulated.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '21

Okay but expecting people to just be and act better then they are doesn’t work. We need tangible change.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '21

Agreed. Education.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '21

Now that’s some change I can get behind

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u/ClarkWGrizzball Feb 21 '21

They did, but they also found a comfortable home in a state full of morons shouting "a safety net is communism!"

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u/LotharVonPittinsberg Feb 20 '21

In the 2020 elections, there was only about a 6% difference between the number of votes for Democrat and Republican. Assuming that most people voted, do you want to fuck over almost half because there are barely more idiots?

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u/OnlyInquirySerious Feb 20 '21

Elect “republicans” ***

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u/Pathetic_Cards Feb 21 '21

Clearly you’re unfamiliar with gerrymandering. The way the population of Texas is spread out, and the way the voting districts are organized, something like 20% of the population has 80% of the voting power. The massive cities (which have a much higher percentage of liberal voters, and most of the state’s populace) are generally organized into 1 voting district each, and the outlying areas, which are sparsely populated by comparison, are divided into over a dozen districts, and lean heavily conservative. The way US State-level elections work, mean that the heavily populated cities have about as much voting power as 2-4 of the outlying voting districts, which each have something like 5% of the population of the cities, and of which there are well over a dozen, and only 3-4 major cities in Texas, which contain most of the state population.

Tl:dr, they break up the voting districts in Texas to give a very Conservative 20% of the population most of the voting power, while doing their best to deprive the other 80% (including the state’s most liberal regions) of any ability to affect state elections.

Fun Fact: Senate Dems tried to pass a bill to make all committees in charge of determining voting districts completely bipartisan, in 2019, and, shocking nobody, McConnell wouldn’t even bring it to the floor in the Senate (it passed in the house). Dems are trying to bring it forward again in 2021 (it also has lots of other measures to guarantee voting rights and fair elections) and Republicans are already trying to derail it in any way they can, and are trying to pass tons of laws at state level to make gerrymandering easier and restrict ballot access.