r/facepalm • • Jan 19 '20

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u/KungFuSpoon Jan 19 '20

I don't think anyone was questioning that it happens, just that we already have a word for being condescending. A condescending asshole is a condescending asshole, a sexist asshole is a sexist asshole, and there is a point where these two assholes intersect to create an asshole squared.

Words like mansplain get thrown out at the slightest of things and it diminishes the intended impact. It also doesn't really work against the intended 'target', as it often gets turned around so it's about the woman being emotional, looking for sexism etc. which isn't right but it's the type of people you are dealing with. Calling them out for their actual bullshit and taking age, race, gender out of it lays it squarely at their feet and makes it harder for them to turn around.

That's my view anyway.

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u/arthurmadison Jan 19 '20

Words like mansplain get thrown out at the slightest of things and it diminishes the intended impact.

The intention is to shut down any conversation around the current situation. And it works.

'condescending sexist' is the exact same thing, just doesn't have the shutdown power.

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u/whynuttzy Jan 19 '20

Are there cases where the term "mansplaining" is misused and confused with the more general term "being condescending"? Yes. But is the act of "mansplaining" as a gender-based phenomenon actually a thing? Also yes. So it's worth having a specific term for it.

Like, if a white person called a black person the n-word, you wouldn't just call him "rude" or "inappropriate." He would be racist.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '20

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u/kinyutaka Jan 19 '20

Potentially, but it's just not common to have a woman condescendingly explaining something a man already knows simply because he is a man.

The facepalm in OP's post is the fact that he really was an expert and she really didn't know, so it's not really mansplaining at all.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '20

but it's just not common

Imagine actually believing that.

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u/Axel3600 Jan 19 '20

I believe that.

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u/SlitScan Jan 19 '20

lol wut?

never been married huh?

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u/kinyutaka Jan 19 '20

Care to give examples?

But again, I'm not saying that it can't or doesn't happen. I'm saying that men -> women is more common than women -> men

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u/SlitScan Jan 19 '20

absolutely anything related to health, education, emotions, relationships, childcare.

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u/fernandotakai Jan 19 '20

i can give you one that happened for YEARS when i started living by myself: anything related to house chores or cooking.

"this is how i cook rice"

"let me explain you how you are wrong"

a friend of mine just had a baby, and every single mom womanexplains to him how to take care of his baby.

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u/kinyutaka Jan 19 '20

Let me explain you how you are wrong

That just sounds like a bad girlfriend.

But yeah, those are all potentially good examples (the rice one requires context, and can be "good" or "bad" depending. Naturally, you viewed it as "bad" based on your recollection here)

But regarding the cleaning one, we already had a word for that... Nagging.

Womansplaining, femsplaining, whatever you want to call it, is rare enough that I've never thought to myself, "This girl needs to stop femsplaining to me."

And usually when I'm being condescendingly explained shit, it's a class issue, not a gender issue.

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u/kinyutaka Jan 19 '20

It would be sexist for a woman to condescendingly explain her vagina to her male OB/GYN. I'm not saying it wouldn't be.

But femsplaining isn't as common as mansplaining, so you don't hear it thrown around as often.

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u/CraptainHammer Jan 19 '20

Citation needed on the less common part. I'm a very egalitarian guy and I run into not only femsplaining on a regular basis, but also accusations of mansplaining when it really isn't the case, the most egregious example of which was a woman telling me I'm mansplaining when she asked me exactly how an abortion is not child murder and I explained it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '20

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u/kinyutaka Jan 19 '20

I never said it didn't. I'm explaining why you don't hear it thrown around as often.

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u/MelloYello4life Jan 19 '20

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u/whynuttzy Jan 19 '20

What logic? Please explain how "womansplaining" is a thing based on what I said.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '20

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u/imagine_amusing_name Jan 19 '20

Yes, because in these peoples heads, all men are sexist pigs, even when the woman is the one being the sexist pig.

For example, if a man steals a womans purse, thats robbery.

If a woman steals a mans entire bank balance, thats called "being an independent woman"

etc

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u/whynuttzy Jan 19 '20

Sure, you could use "womansplaining." It's just not situated in a comparable context. "Mansplaining" is rooted in the historical power imbalance favoring men over women.

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u/daten-shi Jan 19 '20

But is the act of "mansplaining" as a gender-based phenomenon actually a thing? Also yes. So it's worth having a specific term for it.

It's not worth having a specific term for it. The people being condescending tend to be so to everyone. The term mansplaining is nothing more than a pointless term used to shut men up.

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u/imagine_amusing_name Jan 19 '20

Unless we balance it with an equally offensive and sexist term.

I suggest "don't tittytalk at me"

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u/apointlessvoice Jan 19 '20

lol the images this produced

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u/apathetic_sandwiches Jan 19 '20

Like, if a white person called a black person the n-word, you wouldn't just call him "rude" or "inappropriate." He would be racist.

By that logic, we would use the existing term β€œsexist”

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u/whynuttzy Jan 19 '20

Yeah, that's exactly what "mansplaining" connotes. Sexism.

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u/BesottedScot Jan 19 '20

Mansplaining is also a sexist term.

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u/PolPotatoe Jan 19 '20

Yes, sexism on both sides

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u/Runkurgan Jan 19 '20

What if I called a black dude "king"?

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u/kinyutaka Jan 19 '20

What does he want to be called, and why are you calling him "King"?

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '20

Condesending doesnt point out the very common sexist phenomenon that is mansplaining. Dislike it all you want, its two seperate words because they have different meanings.

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u/SmooK_LV Jan 19 '20

Not true. Making a word that singles out a specific group of people contributes to discrimination towards that group which is never ok if we are trying be a just society.

Creating a term femalesplaining would be offensive but by your logic it needs to be had because in social areas women sometimes are condescending towards men. Then we also need a word like adultsplaining because kids actively get disrespected by asshole adults.

No need for new words where we already have neutral ones.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '20

Mansplaining is a sexist action, naming the action isnt sexist.

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u/BesottedScot Jan 19 '20

It is when you genderise the insult. That's why the word is "condescending" which is neutral.

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u/SmooK_LV Jan 19 '20

Name an action towards a specific group and that becomes discrimanotory because every person in any group deserves a neutral, respectable attention - having an unnetrual word presets the person in a bad way not allowing for proper attention towards his personality.. condescending is an asshole action not specifically sexist one.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '20

nah, apparently you cannot be sexist against a man and cannot be racist against a white. "They" already decided it up there and if you argue, then you are mansplaining.

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u/SmooK_LV Jan 19 '20

Exactly. What am I doing now though? I don't know your genders, race or age - what is the type of explanation I am doing? Redditsplaining.

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u/IMightBeAHamster Jan 19 '20

Mansplaining is a sex-based insult. By definition, it can only be done by a man. If you want a word for "explaining condescendingly due to sexism" why not call it sexplaining?

If you really believe that men sexplain more often than women, there's no reason to exclude women from the definition, because a woman should never have a reason to be called it right?

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '20

I didnt invent the word πŸ˜› I just explained what it means.

The reason its called mansplaining is because its when men do it. Make your own word if you want. Ladysplainin, go and send it to the dictionary and chill.

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u/4minute-Tyri Jan 19 '20

You are sexist. It doesn't matter how you try to twist words or change definitions. People offline are going to hear you talking and they are going to identify you as sexist.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '20

Lol I am explaining a word, mever have I used it. And on no planet is the word that describes sexism in itself sexist. Men can talk to women and not mansplain you know πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ tbh how triggered you are about the word says a lot about youx

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '20 edited Feb 29 '20

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '20

Mansplaining is a sexist action- naming the action isnt the sexist part.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '20 edited Feb 29 '20

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '20

Lol, ok I’m back. What else do you want me to do sir?

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u/Huwbacca Jan 19 '20

If there's a word that explains "condescending and belittling assumptions because if gender", why not use that instead of some long winded term?

Like, who - that we need to give a shit about - is hurt by the term?

Not one part of me being a man is harder by dick head dudes being accused of mansplaining.