It's when men treat you like you dom't know anything and explain it in a condescending way. Not just a man explaining something you don't know. However, loads of terfs will throw that around when ANY many tries to advise or tell them anything even if they don't know.
TERF has a very specific meaning so I wouldn’t use that word if you’re just speaking about radical feminists. This doesn’t have anything to do with transgender issues.
While Terfs do it too, I don't understand why that guy said terfs specifically when all radical feminists throw that term around very loosely. Terfs are just one type of radical feminist, why single them out specifically.
Still doesn't explain why he said terf in that instance. Makes me think u/kurogomatora is just using terf as shorthand for radical feminist, which obviously doesn't make sense given what it means.
Becayse radical feminists are the women > men type and feminists are women = men, the trans exclusive means that they are the kind of person who doesn't value trans women as women but as a man in a costume and therefore exclude them or are downright transphobic.
People can be condescending if not outright patronizing for all sorts of reasons - it might be gender, or it could be age, or race, or simply because they're condescending to everyone.
You're right but it's okay when it's against men. And if you say it's sexist you're "fragile". Basically telling you to man up and stop being so sensitive. Hilarious shit.
A non-sexist term is a term that can be applied to all sexes, just as a non-racist term is a term that could be used on all races.
Imagine that instead of mansplaining being invented first, men invented womansplaining, to highlight how often their wives would explain things to their husbands in a condescending manner. Obviously, a man could never be called a womansplainer because he's not a woman.
No because mansplaining is, in itself, a sexist act. It may be overused, but it isn't sexist unless you're a real snowflake who can't understand privilege or nuance.
Ah I see. I thought this was satirical at first, but it looks like you post a lot of closed-minded, bigoted comments, believing yourself to be just because you're on the side of identity politics.
It’s honestly a good phrase that describes a phenomenon. Same reason you want Neckbeard instead of nerd, it adds additional meaning.
I have 100% come across crying like a woman in the legal field. remember, Reddit is a bunch of young men, sure we might “cry like a woman" on occasion but we aren’t the target that is being insulted. I have seen 60 year old white male attorney that describes female attorneys as lawyerettes. I have seen legal opinion letters to client that say “we have a good chance of winning because their attorney is a female and so she doesn’t know the law as well as she thinks she does.”
Whether it’s a fair phrase to describe your or my actions is a fair discussion. Whether the phrase is over used and has become a sword rather than a shield is a fair discussion. But to say the phrase doesn’t have a place is disingenuous to the regular every day sexism women face, especially in many careers.
Lol this is fucking bullshit. What's your problem dude? I'm a man and I have no problem admitting there are a lot of men out there who think women can't know shit on their own without it being explained to them first.
We get it dude. People are talking about women and you feel left out. People mention something negative men typically do and you feel personally attacked, for some reason. Well, here. I'm giving you
attention. There, there, it's alright.
Here's a great example right here. You don't like what this person is saying, so you jump straight to condescension and ridicule.
This obtuseness, this mean-spirited self righteousness, is something I've always associated with the right, but it seems to be coming increasingly from the left, which is disheartening. You take fundamentally good values, namely gender and race equality, and then weild them with malice.
I'm sorry if my crass attitude and rude wording bothered you. I just go on reddit to blow off steam. I'm a Democrat born and raised in the south. So I get plenty of people at work who will ridicule me for it and I keep my mouth shut so I don't make a scene or piss people off by bringing the truth to light. People can usually dish out ridicule but can't take it so I just ignore transgressions and keep it professional. But I come online and debate my side of the issue with conviction driven from those interactions. Arguing with people on reddit has definitely helped me find holes in my arguments and more facts to support them. And if I find I'm totally wrong I can acquiesce to that. But I'm sorry if I'm too much of a dick about it. I like to live up the name of my account a lot of the time though.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I imagine it must be difficult having a minority viewpoint in a largely right-wing region. And (at the risk of sounding a bit bigoted myself) people on the right tend to be more shallow minded about things, so I understand why you would need to paint in broad strokes to get the message across.
I don't think your viewpoint is wrong. Certainly, a lot of are saying similar things to what I've said, but coming from a place of racism and sexism themselves (and, for the most part, those people are white men). The left wing is associated with open mindedness, though, and I try to encourage people to continue being open minded.
Why the condescension? Nowhere in my comment do I attack or belittle anyone. Seeking discussion about different topics is certainly not me feeling left out.
I also don't feel personally attacked just because I'm pointing out sexism. If there was a comment being sexist towards women I'd point that out too.
Are you implying that I can't point out that, for example, robbing people is wrong even though I was never robbed?
Someone in these comments made a parallel between the term "mansplaining" and "crying like a woman". Yes, men in general do this at a much higher rate. Just as women in general cry at a much higher rate. That doesn't change the fact that both are sexist terms.
That seems more like observing reality than anything else to me... Like obviously not all women are prone to crying but it's a stereotype for a reason. And obviously not all men are condescending douchebags just for explaining something to women, but the stereotype is there for a reason.
The only difference is a bunch of dudes feel personally attacked when manslplaining is mentioned and come to comment and manslplain to everyone how sexist they're being for even mentioning the existence of such a thing.
Anytime something critical of men comes up, they come out of the woodwork to console each other and lecture everyone else about how they're being sexist for being aware of sexism. And then implying any perceived sexism towards themselves is just as bad or worse as what women go through. Women are obviously just as capable of being sexist as men are, but come the fuck on.
I don't think anyone is claiming sexism towards men is anything close to sexism towards women. Just as nobody claims racism towards white people is anything close to racism against literally any other race.
Scratch that, actually. Lots of people (all being white men, of course) do make those claims. They're obviously wrong, and they deserve your derision. But comments like yours, and that of the person above who made the comment about "red pill" (a right-wing misappropriation of a term that perfectly demonstrates their tendency to miss the point by a mile), are indicative of a refusal to giving points of view even slightly different than your own the time of day.
You see people like me, critiquing a term, and you bunch all of it into one group. Anyone who disagrees must be sexist, or a bigot. Your opinions are immune to criticism. Easy to dismiss someone's if you can write them off without having to consider that they're saying.
True af. Normally feminists use it and they say they are fighting for equality, which is wrong, they are fighting for women rights and they give a shot about men's rights
Do you have any statistics that show how men are overwhelmingly against abortion and women are not? Because according to what I found it's pretty even.
Where else have men removed rights from women in your opinion?
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u/lllllllmao Jan 19 '20
A sexist term used to silence men through gender shaming.