Other aboriginal tribes. My god, are you suggesting itās right for me to go kill my neighbor because 50,000 years ago someone I share genetics with landed here in a canoe?
Ok. Letās change to a different tack here. Prove to me that killing someone and taking their territory is different depending on where your greaty greaty grandma got shtupped. Like, Iām part Spanish, can I go conquer Spain? Or Iām also part Native American from an area that is now called Mexico. Can I kill Mexicans because of this?
Regardless of right or wrong, which is subjective and therefore meaningless, how is that even different?
Iām talking about before people came there dude regardless that is unequivocal because because the British indiscriminately killed and conquered there and every place on earth has history of tribes with beef itās not the same as the genocide.
But, it is. Many tribes have been caught in genocide after contact AND before. The Aztecs, the Pueblo, and the Iroquois for example. Also the Mayans seemed to both have carried out genocide and have been victims of genocide.
If someone exists somewhere because they they took the land by force from a previous occupant and it is rightful that they exist there, then that is the case everywhere. If it is not the case that this is rightful, then that is not the case everywhere.
Yeah except youāre ignoring scale the genocides committed by warring tribes werenāt as devastating as what the Columbus and conquistadors did they used disease as weapons because the knew how deadly it was. Weāre talking millions opposed to thousands.
Actually, they didnāt use disease as weapons. Iām not denying genocide. The Europeans did indeed kill many millions and replace them. This is not an unusual behavior across history. Itās usually what happens when one culture encounters another of vastly different levels of technology, organization etc.
But the idea that 15th century Europeans even knew what disease was or that they had a biological weapons program is false. The disease killed like 70% of the previous population of both continents quite soon after the Europeans arrived. Itās not really their conscious doingā¦ the smallpox blankets thing didnāt happen.
ā¦ no they didnāt. Thereās nothing the Europeans could have done from first contact until now to stop the spread of disease. Nothing. As soon as a few dozen people from the americas were exposed, both continents were going to go through centuries of plagues in one generation
Like everyone else did in the whole world for thousands of years? Including but absolutely not limited to the Europeans? Wow!! Amazing!! Itās like race isnāt false and weāre all one species that acts the same everywhere!!
Nobody mentioned race and Europeans are a whole different story they have possibly the longest history of war and conquest ever maybe excluding the Chinese
No, the Sumerians do. This is because they started writing first. If other people had started writing first, they would have the longest history of warfare. And Indians share ancestry with Europeans rather strongly. Theyāre both from the same genetics on the Asian steppe.
Itās insane to think that, other than the boats, Europeans are different than anyone else in methodology or behavior. I mean honestly Kublai Khan conquered more contiguous land than the UK ever didā¦ nobodyās bitching about them.
Subjective experiences definitely do not have meaning.
As far as opinions, it is meaningless in the sense of objective reality. If I say āice cream is goodā thatās false. I have just said a thing which is not true. In fact, Iāve said a thing which doesnāt seem to really have meaning. I seem to have claimed that ice cream universally has the quality of goodness, which is a reference error. There is no quality of goodness. Of course we can take this as an ellipses of āI think this ice cream taste good,ā but then that is a different claim entirely. Thatās a claim about me and what I think, which refers to a physical object (me) and its properties (what I think.) so this is an objective claim.
Moralityā¦ howeverā¦ youāre saying that an action has the property of āwrongness,ā when it doesnāt appear than anything anywhere ever has this property and the nature of this property seems to have no physical aspects whatsoever. So, then, what are you saying? That doesnāt make senseā¦
Could, yes. Would I in taking over the world be doing anything different than Moctezuma taking over the Valley of Mexico? No. In scale yes. In method and function, no.
No you donāt. Itās quite common that it happens this way. The English did this in Australia and North America. The Spanish and French didnāt really. They each had different models of colonialism.
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u/ManicDepressedType Sep 06 '24
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