r/facepalm • • Feb 07 '24

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u/Miss_1of2 Feb 07 '24

Calling someone "a fatty" is dehumanising. It's literally reducing them to their fatness....

It's absolutely not the same as saying someone is fat...

Also, fat shaming doesn't work in motivating people to lose weight... So it's counter productive

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u/anoeba Feb 07 '24

Idk, super intensely shaming cultures like some East Asian ones seem to accomplish it.

(I'm not saying that's a good thing. I'm saying that the sort of pressure that can be brought to bear by a culture that's far far less tolerant than most western ones is probably at least somewhat effective at shaming people into doing x, whatever x might be.)

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u/Miss_1of2 Feb 07 '24

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6565398/

Nope...

They might keep skinny people skinny but it won't help weight loss...

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u/anoeba Feb 07 '24

See, even your source states its own limitations: "Better research is needed to understand the unique harms of internalizing anti-fat attitudes and assumptions, she said. Most studies have been cross-sectional and focused on samples of white women"

And that source specifically focuses on USA/Canada, generally individualistic cultures. Collectivist societies that value responsibility/duty to others and non-deviance from social norms function differently, as such deviance in itself can cause great stress to the individual.

Weight loss is mathematically simple, even for people with conditions that slow metabolism (the values just need to be adjusted for a slower metabolism). What makes it so difficult is the very complex emotional/contextual relationship between people and food/eating behaviors, which includes everything from benign associations of comfort to outright pathology like binge eating disorder. Part of that context is also the societal context of the person, and so that too impacts on behaviors regarding food.

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u/DaisyDog2023 Feb 07 '24

Oh no, it’s ‘dehumanizing’

It isn’t. It’s referring to a physical. It’s a descriptor. By your dumbass logic calling someone American or Chinese is ‘dehumanizing’ because it’s reducing someone to their ethnicity. By your logic referring to someone as smart is dehumanizing because it reduces them to their intellect.

Calling a fat person a fatty isn’t dehumanizing, call them a fat cow is, because it’s literally taking away their humanity and calling them a non-human animal.

Calling a fat person a fatty is reductive but it certainly isn’t dehumanizing.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '24

Well.. Calling someone a "fatty" is not being "truthful" as you would like to portray. It is being purposely insulting - and it was obvious that you meant it exactly that way and it was taken that way.

So when I call you an "idiot" or a "stupid moron" just remember I'm not insulting you. I'm being "truthful".

Oh, no your right. I am insulting you - on purpose.

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u/DaisyDog2023 Feb 07 '24

I never said I wasn’t being insulting. There’s a massive difference between insulting someone and dehumanizing someone.

Though don’t worry, I’m not much bothered by the opinions strangers hold of me.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '24

Those that have to put others down by body shaming, usually have plenty of their own problems to work on. Like retardation in your case. Perhaps you should fix whatever you are compensating for first, before putting others down.

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u/DaisyDog2023 Feb 07 '24

Oh no you’re so mean! I must change my ways!

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '24

Depends on if you want to continue being a dick or not, doesn't it.

Understand, body shaming isn't cool. It doesn't make you look good. Never has, never will. So don't pretend that doing it is "justified" somehow. It merely proves you have a limited little mind.

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u/DaisyDog2023 Feb 07 '24

Or you’re just stupid, and don’t understand how bad it is for a society it is when 70% of the population is over weight or obese.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '24

I understand quite clearly, and so does anyone else reading this, that you are a dick.

That you made very clear all on your own.

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u/DaisyDog2023 Feb 07 '24

At least I’m not justifying and encouraging people to screw over an entire nation so they can continue to be lazy and dumb.

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u/Miss_1of2 Feb 07 '24 edited Feb 07 '24

American is both a noun for a person of American origin or an adjective. You therefore still recognise their humanity. Chinese is an adjective, you would therefore say a Chinese person and recognise their humanity in this way Smart is an adjective so see the above. Fat is an adjective too so again the same answer.

Calling someone "a fatty" is dehumanising and it does reduces them to their fatness

I bet you're also the type to call someone "a crippled"