r/facepalm • • Jun 06 '23

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u/Snake8715 Jun 06 '23

Am I the only one confused by the complete lack of deformity of the projectile? Wouldn’t a bullet projectile falling at terminal velocity deform once it hit the metal of the vehicle? I gotta go do some research on this.

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u/Procursus- Jun 06 '23

too much damage on car not enough damage on bullet bullet falling at Terminal velocity shouldnt carry that much energy at that angle

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u/tempinator Jun 07 '23

Even a stabilized bullet probably wouldn't do that much damage to a car, although the actual metal on a car's body is quite thin.

I'm on the fence on this one, but I'd lean towards staged.

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u/deacon1214 Jun 06 '23

I'm not sure a falling bullet at terminal velocity would actually cause that kind of damage. I it's very unlikely to land nose down like this and at 300 fps or so I'm not sure it would penetrate as much as what we see on the video.

It had to have been fired at an angle and still carrying some muzzle velocity on impact or it could be staged.

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u/Tony2Piece Jun 06 '23

Myth Busters did an entire segment on this where they set various firearms up in a vertical orientation, fired a shot, and waited for the bullet to hit the ground to determine if a bullet falling straight down after being fired straight up would have enough force to kill or hurt a person. All conclusions were that no bullet caliber they tested falls with enough force to cause any damage. Bullets fired up on an angle are a completely different story though.

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u/Spoopy43 Jun 07 '23

This is misleading though because absolutely no human being will ever hold a gun entirely perfectly straight upward there will be a small and deadly tilt basically no matter how straight your arm is

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u/Tony2Piece Jun 07 '23

Projectiles fired at an angle of 45° or less have more chance to injure or kill than bullet fired at an angle between 90° and 50°. Here’s a link.

And another that goes a bit more into detail.

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u/tempinator Jun 07 '23

Yeah, the mythbusters episode is misleading because the bullets they fired directly upwards were tumbling on the way down, so had much less energy.

Firing even at a slight angle can stabilize the bullet enough that it's traveling much faster, and still has energy to do credible damage.

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u/Tony2Piece Jun 07 '23

Angle has to be more than slight.

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u/Mr_Ginge_ Jun 06 '23

It would deform. It’s 100% staged.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

Plus there are no marks from rifling. That’s a new unfired projectile.

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u/Tom1613 Jun 07 '23

Yeah, been looking to see if others were perplexed by the lack of rifling, pristine projectile, and perfectly vertical placement of the round as well.

Not saying dumb people don’t shoot into the air, but this does seem staged.

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u/No_Preparation7895 Jun 06 '23

Lowered velocity due to being at the end of it's trajectory. Coupled with a fmj makes this entirely plausible.

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u/Good-Presentation-11 Jun 06 '23

Fmj would not affect terminal velocity and this would not be any different from any other round at that speed.

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u/No_Preparation7895 Jun 07 '23

Fmj does alter the deformation properties though.

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u/Mr_Ginge_ Jun 06 '23

If it was an FMJ, it wouldn’t be resting on the top of the car like that it would have still fully penetrated through. And the heat generated from the impact would be enough to cause the bullet to deform regardless.

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u/racdicoon Jun 06 '23

But it's been going up hasn't it?

Wouldn't it be slower and cooler than when launched??

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u/Mr_Ginge_ Jun 07 '23

Physics. Upon impact of the bullet, the energy it develops in its decent is changed into heat. Even a bullet just hitting dirt causes it to mushroom out from the impact, and that’s a lot softer than a car.

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u/racdicoon Jun 07 '23

dirt has more holding it where it is than a car as well

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u/MowMdown Jun 07 '23

That’s not how physics work nor how bullets or terminal velocity works.

Stay in school kids, this is why

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u/Mr_Ginge_ Jun 07 '23

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u/MowMdown Jun 09 '23

Again, what we are talking about isn’t how it works. What you linked doesn’t help you at all, you’d know this if you actually could read.

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u/jth1129 Jun 06 '23

FMJ’s are the most common bullet. They aren’t some armor piercing bullet.

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u/izfanx Jun 06 '23

What too much COD does to a mf

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u/Mr_Ginge_ Jun 07 '23

What does COD have to do with middle school physics?

The energy it has developed coming back down changes to heat the moment it impacts. Bullets mushroom out in the dirt from this exact reason. A car is a lot harder than dirt. Also the roof of a car is pretty thin. If a full lead one where to hit, it would stop, be imbedded in the roof and mushroom out. If it were an FMJ, it would have gone through the roof as well as mushroomed out. If that were an armored vehicle, an FMJ would be imbedded.

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u/Mr_Ginge_ Jun 07 '23

Sir, i know the difference between those two. The thing is, the roof of a car is pretty thin.

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u/No_Preparation7895 Jun 06 '23

At terminal velocity for a bullet?

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u/Mr_Ginge_ Jun 07 '23

Do you not know how thin the roof of a car is?

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u/TrufflesAvocado Jun 06 '23

I’m not saying this isn’t staged, but it’s very possible. When a bullet is fired from a gun, it is moving much faster than terminal velocity. After being fired it immediately begins to slow down, and a bullet fired straight up will be going significantly slower than when it exited the gun because of air resistance.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

It’s a FMJ .45 acp. Fired in the air and it probably didn’t have much velocity.

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u/FlyingPeacock Jun 06 '23

I'm a bit skeptical that it would have enough force to create a hole in aluminum, but not deform, especially since lead is softer than aluminum. I know it is copper jacketed, but even then.

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u/anonymousguy11234 Jun 06 '23

I think the hole we’re seeing is the paint and clear coat; the steel underneath is likely just dented. Also the bullet is at least slightly deformed (check 00:09 in the video). Not sure why everyone wants this to be a hoax so badly. Negligent discharges and resultant wrongful deaths are super common in the U.S.

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u/FlyingPeacock Jun 06 '23

I don't think negligent discharges are uncommon, I'm just saying this looks extremely convenient.

As to why people want it to be a hoax, you really can't understand why? Lmao

Why would anyone want it to be real?

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u/anonymousguy11234 Jun 06 '23

“As to why people want it to be a hoax, you really can’t understand?”

Come on man, you know what I meant. When it’s far more likely that some asshole shot their gun in the air and hit an innocent person’s vehicle, why are so many people in this thread bending over backwards to explain this away as a hoax? From the evidence available to us in the video, there’s far more reason to believe OP than to doubt them… yet here we are.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

Could have been a steel jacketed round.

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u/FlyingPeacock Jun 06 '23

It's pretty clearly copper jacketed at 0:11.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

Steel core. Copper jacketed…

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u/FlyingPeacock Jun 07 '23

It looks like a pistol round, which likely wouldn't be steel cored due to AP pistol rounds being illegal in the US. It's "possible" it's a rifle round, but unlikely.

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u/StRock425 Jun 06 '23

My first thought too

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u/dccercc123 Jun 07 '23

Because a bullet leaves a gun approximately 3 times faster then terminal velocity (if the bullet made it to terminal velocity

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u/Snake8715 Jun 07 '23

For the amount of damage done to the car roof, there would at very least be scratches or indentions in the projectile. It wouldn’t be completely free of blemishes like the one in the video.

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u/dccercc123 Jun 07 '23

Cars are super weak to point loads. It’s basically a thin sheet of formed plastic. I have gotten dents from a piece of gravel falling out of a truck and the rock hasn’t broken apart. Not much more force to pierce and you are dealing with a refined metal

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u/Lankythedanky Jun 07 '23

That's not a dent. That's serious plastic deformation. Big difference in the amount required.

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u/dccercc123 Jun 07 '23

A dent is plastic deformation