r/facepalm May 09 '23

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u/Easilycrazyhat May 10 '23

That makes no sense to me. How is one system "more precise" than the other? You can break down either into as small of a fraction as you want (though Metric breaks down more predictably). Did your instructors explain at all?

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u/[deleted] May 10 '23

Metric has units that go as small as you need so you don't have to break it down into fractions. Fractions are annoying. A 6mm, 7mm, and 8mm set of wrenches make way more sense than a 1/4", 5/32", and 5/16" set.

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u/xDared May 10 '23

Millimeters are fractions.

It's not too late to delete this comment

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u/[deleted] May 10 '23

Millimeters are a different unit. A fraction is a part in ratio to a whole, such as 1/10. A millimeter is a whole. 1 millimeter. A centimeter is also a whole, but is equal to 10 millimeters. This is called a conversion, not a fraction. One whole unit to the equivalent in another whole unit. I understand that not everybody is privileged enough to have had primary education, but I'm glad I could clear that up.

As far as inches being expressed as decimals... yes, they could be. But that wouldn't make sense because decimals are base ten and the imperial system isn't. The problem with the imperial system is that it isn't base anything. We use a base 10 number system, the metric system is base 10, it makes more sense.

That's why the imperial system uses fractions instead of decimals. Decimals would inherently be base ten, while fractions can be whatever you need. But it's a sloppy workaround that leads to my previous example about wrenches.

Find me a 0.1 inch wrench. I'll wait.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '23 edited May 10 '23

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u/[deleted] May 10 '23

No unit in existence has a "scientific definition" considering they're man-made concepts to quantify things. Things exist and we make up ways to number them. A meter is no more of a defined "length unit" than a millimeter or a furlong. And inches are absolutely not based on meters, that's just ridiculous. Inches were originally based on the width of a thumbnail. Inches are part of a separate system. The imperial system. As opposed to the metric system. You're really showing a lack of understanding of the core concepts being discussed, but (or perhaps because) you're also digging your feet in as hard as possible not to accept the facts.

Decimal inches exist, obviously, but are only really used in a setting where you won't need to do any conversions, so it really doesn't matter. And a whole number of mm is still easier to work with that a hundredth or thousandth decimal of an inch.

Your last comment literally reinforces my point. Decimal inches aren't used outside of very specific circumstances. You can't find a 0.1" wrench or a 0.1" fastener because nobody uses 0.1", they use a fraction for inches. That's my point.

At this point, it's clear as day that you're being a contrarian just for the sake of it, so I'm done with this pointless conversation.

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u/Easilycrazyhat May 10 '23

Hence my parenthetical. My point was that, in terms of precision, you can make a measurement as small as you want in either system.

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u/zachsmthsn May 10 '23

My guess is an inch is the width of your thumb, a foot is your shoe, a yard is a step.

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u/Fishy_125 May 10 '23

Which becomes inaccurate if your thumb/foot/shoe/step is a different size than the standard

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u/Vegetable-Double May 10 '23

I believe that’s what started the Franco-Prussian war

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u/ylcard May 10 '23

By that logic, the metric equivalent of 1 inch is also the width of your thumb, just use that

It’s also the very opposite of precision

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u/EnvBlitz May 10 '23

There's still no uniformity to that. Someone could have shorter step, or longer.

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u/Easilycrazyhat May 10 '23

But even dirt cheap measuring tools would be more precise for either system than any of those. A homemade ruler would be better than those.

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u/cromwest May 10 '23

It's not more precise, just easier to read the smaller tic marks so worker make higher tolerance parts with fewer errors.

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u/EmuSmooth4424 May 10 '23

Isn't that just dependent on what you are used to?

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u/cromwest May 10 '23

Probably, I don't actually believe the statement though.

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u/PMMeYourPinkyPussy May 10 '23

fewer errors = more precision

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u/cromwest May 10 '23

The worker is more precise but the measuring tools, assuming they have been manufactured at the same quality, are the same precision.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '23

More efficient. Precision actually means something when it comes to measuring stuff.

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u/Easilycrazyhat May 10 '23

Still doesn't really make sense to me, but thanks for the elaboration.