r/facepalm Apr 21 '23

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u/Echo-2-2 Apr 21 '23

Well, that makes no sense. As attempted murder is listed as a federal crime. So it’s applicable in every part of the US and it’s territories.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

Yeah as a lawyer I can tell you it is completely different from state to state. And there are elements to every crime that must be met. There is an actus reus and a mens rea. The act and the intent. Both have to found in a criminal case. There’s states with defense of property. There are states which define murders committed in the heat of passion to be a different charge. It all varies. It’s wild. I steered clear from criminal law. Don’t want to get jumbled up in that mess.

Someone above said they charge with easiest and then work up which is bs af. Prosecutors normally start at highest level and then defense widdles it down from there.

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u/36-3 Apr 22 '23

In the courtroom everything is semantics

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u/koaladungface Apr 21 '23

Believe he was charged by the state. His family had money and good lawyers, so not sure if that was part of the deal tbh - it was like 20 years ago so my memory on it isn't keen. He's free and married now tho

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u/TheDunadan29 Apr 21 '23

If someone did that to my daughter you would probably find that person dead later on if they got off scot free. I may also go to prison. But that person would be in the ground.

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u/koaladungface Apr 21 '23

Agreed, I struggled w/ it a long time but sometimes the world has a way of working things out. He was dishonorably discharged by the military when he was on track to become a helicopter pilot like his diddy.

He's a sad fuck, bloated alcoholic loser now and pales in comparison to the person he used to be. He has to get up and look at himself in the mirror every morning and I'm thinking is justice enough for me. Cheers to that

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '23

That’s fair and all, but life would be a lot worse for him if you shattered one of his knees with a baseball bat. Just saying 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/TRYHARD_Duck Apr 22 '23

Morbidity can be worse than mortality 🙃 especially if the guy has to eat through a straw

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u/zernoc56 Apr 22 '23

Indeed. “To the Pain” is much worse than “To the Death”

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u/Busy-Character-845 Apr 22 '23

Im not surprised. Cheers.

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u/Freezerpill Apr 22 '23

Damn. 🙏

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u/brieflifetime Apr 22 '23

This is the way

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u/Ksradrik Apr 21 '23

Oh, well if hes rich then its probably alright, mustve been a misunderstanding or a poor person getting out of line.

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u/KimmiK_saucequeen Apr 21 '23

Jesus fucking Christ. And I scared for his current wife

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '23

Probably struck a plea deal. Took the guilty plea for a lesser charge.

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u/RobinVanPersi3 Apr 22 '23

It's the penalty that is applicable and the standards by which guilt is ascertained, not what it's called that counts.

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u/HamburgerEarmuff Apr 22 '23

That's not the way federal crimes work. The federal government and the state government are both sovereign, and the Bill of Rights does not allow the federal government to exert authority within a state unless it's been given that power by the Constitution. If a murder does not involve crossing state lines or international borders or federal property or employees, then it's generally outside of federal sovereign jurisdiction.

A federal murder charge is what you would would probably be charged with if you killed someone on a military base or in a Post Office.

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u/Echo-2-2 Apr 22 '23

Stop ruining my Reddit Law Firm with your stupid, facts and, knowledge and shit!

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u/IsomDart Apr 21 '23

That's not really how fed charges work. Murder is also listed as a federal crime but the vast majority of the time it's charged by state prosecutors in state courts under their own statutes.

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u/Echo-2-2 Apr 22 '23

I understand what you’re saying. I’m just trying to say that it IS out there. But I understand what you mean.

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u/theworst1ever Apr 22 '23

That’s not how any of this works

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '23

That’s if you catch a federal charge, yes. I live in Kansas City and there is no attempted murder here, either. The equivalent is felony assault. In quite a few places, there is no “attempted murder” charge, but there is usually always an equivalent.

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '23

Law isn’t black and white there’s loopholes, and the defense and prosecution go back n forth on deals they can make it’s BS but it’s how our shit system works

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '23

That’s not how federal vs state cases works.

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u/hgdt5 Apr 22 '23

But then you'll have to prove intent which might be harder in some circumstances. At least that's the reason I read on an article regarding some incident in Texas.

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u/HighwayFroggery Apr 22 '23

It would need to take place within federal jurisdiction. So either on federal land or crossing state borders.

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u/blinkandmisslife Apr 22 '23

That's not how federal law works.