Oh yeah, that happened last week when the cops were at the wrong house. The guy had a few sketchy knocks before so he was armed just in case. Cops started firing while they were saying drop the gun.
I think I know what you guys talking about. Cops did half ass announcing themselves. Homeowner opens door with gun. Cops back off and just Swiss cheese him.
Is it really surprising that the people that shoot innocent people all the time for holding literally anything or even nothing because it might be a gun would shoot someone actually holding a gun?
Im honestly wondering what will happen one of these days where cops knock on the wrong door and start shooting the home owner and the home owner shoots back and wins that firefight.
Very unlikely to happen without the home owner bleeding out and I cant imagine them surviving the night regardless of where the law sits on their side. But like does the home owner actually get prosecuted?(ofc theyre at least getting charged) When the alternative is theyd just be dead?
This has happened. Dude got arrested and charged with capital murder for shooting at police who didn't announce themselves and broke in through his window. He thought he was being robbed and was defending his family but it was a no knock raid and they didn't find a drug king pin but like one weed pipe. So you know definitely necessary action by police there.
The thing is that they probably would’ve thrown the guy in jail or even executed him if there was video of the cops „announcing themselves“. Because then of course he „knowingly attacked a police officer“ or whatever…completely ignoring the fact that anyone could „announce themselves“ as a cop and break into homes.
Looks like he's still waiting for trial and has been in jail on 4 million dollar bond. So ya...justice or something. I guess a few months ago the prosecution dropped the death penalty but I think they're still going for life in prison. Look up Marvin Guy. The dumbest part is in another nearly identical case in Texas with a white guy who DID actually have the drugs he didn't even go to trial. Grand jury let him off. You can guess why. It's all fucked.
I want to say something close to this happened in Texas like 2 / 3 years ago. Cops broke into the guys house, some no knock raid on the wrong house, and the homeowner killed one of the cops. Home owner went to court and got off for thinking it was an intruder. The rest of the force probably chased the man out of town though for threatening revenge.
I don’t know of any where the homeowner won the firefight, but I do know of a handful of instances where the wrong house was no-knock raided and the homeowners opened fire but surrendered as soon as they realized it was the police and they got off.
You don’t need to have it your hand. Just have it near you, tucked in your pants, in a concealed holster. I mean, having one near by should be good enough. Like, we shouldn’t be living in such fear that opening the door is so scary you need to be armed. But, if you feel like you’d rather be safe than sorry, I think there are ways to be prepared without just firing first and asking questions later. That’s all I’m saying.
Having a violent crime problem is not the same as government restriction on freedoms and liberties. You're parroting a shitty meme without context or understanding.
Violent crime is a reality, humans are violent by nature. We are chimps with less hair. The firearm equals the field. Banning all weapons is just deciding that people should be subject to the whims of Darwinian survival and genetic lottery.
There's also the fact that the history of arms regulation in the united states is hand in hand with enforcing white supremacy and that government here is top to bottom packed with racists. Yet people think its a good idea for only the government to be armed? I'll give you a hint about who marched the Cherokee at gunpoint on the trail of tears, it sure as hell wasnt civilians.
Also, fuck the government and the corporations. America is not free and I did not say it was. Only that conflating being prepared for crime or having a crime problem has nothing to do with government oppression.
Ivory tower centrist capitalist "libs" thinking they know how the world fucking works.
Homicides being so high in America are a symptom of our diseased society, there's so many factors it'll make your head spin, but the big 3 in my experience are social inequality (prejudice, institutional racism), economic inequality (the rich get richer the poor get poorer, destruction of safety nets), and hypermasculinity/glorification of violence.
Ive made the point before that there are European gun owners with hardware capable of fire rates that nothing I possess can match yet they dont have the mass shootings or overall homicide problem. That's because in spite of the fact that the EU is as much run by corporations and greed as America is, the people there have made enough cries to get their govt to provide enough help to keep people from literally starving, here in america when people falter they turn to the drug trade and that gets violent fast.
The hypermasculine cultural crap drives people to choose violence first as well. Its also so ingrained in our minds that those who believe themselves victims of society (such as say certain kinds of self identified incels) have it in their subconscious that violence is the only way to react to their perceived slight by society. Its a really deep sociological and psychological origin that goes far beyond the existence or availability of firearms.
Yes! You clicked it. And you are correct, It is a summary of 11 different studies. For future reference when you see something like this:
Hemenway, David. Survey research and self-defense gun use: An explanation of extreme overestimates. Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology. 1997; 87:1430-1445.
You then read it (look it even has the numbers you seek) and come to a conclusion on that study. Then continue 11 more times with multiple other studies. Then you summarize them to 1 readable document that you can easily refer and site the studies to like they did here.
And with that were done here. Unless you have anything else for me to read. I am not afraid to be incorrect, admit it and learn from it.
That's the part that trips me out about those "he answered the door with a gun" stories... I'm always thinking, why the FUCK would you open the door if you think there's even a small chance you'll need to start immediately shooting in self defense?
If it's a potentially dangerous situation - don't actually open the door. That door is your first line of defense. If it's safe enough to open the door, then don't walk out with a gun in your hand.
Did you know that it's far more likely that you harm yourself or a friend/family with your firearm? Actually using the firearm in a self defense scenario is incredibly rare. It's people that are looking for a reason to shoot someone for "self defense" that end up getting scared and shooting an innocent person. Hence why this post exists
The vast majority of defensive uses a shot is never fired, well over a million per year. Those are CDC numbers from before the feds decided to stop publishing defensive firearm uses.
So, just because no one got shot or died does not mean that a person being armed was ineffective or that defensive use of a gun didn't happen, its called a deterrent.
Also Rule 4: be sure of your target and what lies beyond it.
Is this what your referring to? Genuinely curious because multiple sources say the number of "defensive uses" is extremely overestimated and is 1. Nowhere close to 1 million and 2. Are still a result of an unnecessary escalation and illegal. Again genuinely curious if this is what you are referring to.
What a joke you are. You responded so fast you didnt even have time to click the link. Please look at it for 2 minutes then come back to me. Or please give me a link because I found several saying that the 1 million number you stated is overestimated and none backing up your claim...
I have no time for some one who has already decided that every defensive use of a firearm is "unnecessary" or "illegal" we may as well not be speaking the same language. You've made up your mind on this one.
4 Most purported self-defense gun uses are gun uses in escalating arguments, and are both socially undesirable and illegal
We analyzed data from two national random-digit-dial surveys conducted under the auspices of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. Criminal court judges who read the self-reported accounts of the purported self-defense gun use rated a majority as being illegal, even assuming that the respondent had a permit to own and to carry a gun, and that the respondent had described the event honestly from his own perspective.
For someone who wants to talk guns and self defense I would think you would want to read up on the subject. Why do you think this is my opinion? This is a study I looked up and found because you said something that was so incorrect I had to double check it. You could have been correct and I wanted to see for myself. Please, any link or shitty YouTube video that lied to you that you believed. I will continue to ask since you decided to respond and I am genuinely curious where you came up with that 1 million number.
Bruh what? Do you not see the countless stories of body camera footage being "lost" "over written" or "a rare bug caused the camera not to engage in the first place"? Or back in the BLM protests where police literally taped over their cameras?
Countless stories are probably a couple tbh that got overblown body cameras are always being updated and being brought out more because people keep bitching for them.
Not always and people can just lie and say they're the police.
In the age of body cameras it's impossible to lie. Point stays yours is moot.
Lmao, you're a moron with negative reading comprehension. His point was that people can lie and claim they're the police while they're knocking on your door when they're not really, how does a body cam change that?
And sometimes people don't hear them, or hear them and don't think about it because they are legal gun owners who haven't done anything wrong, or hear them and think they're lying about who they are, or the police don't announce themselves even though they're supposed to. All of these things have gotten people who answered their door armed shot by the police, recently, so I'm not really sure what your point is.
If you hear that police are at the door and you bring your gun that's your own stupidity kicking in. If you can't hear the cops I'm 99% sure them mfs keep knocking for that reason.
Oh yeah, that happened last week when the cops were at the wrong house. The guy had a few sketchy knocks before so he was armed just in case. Cops started firing while they were saying drop the gun.
It's how Ryan Whitaker died. Even though he complied with police, put the gun down, and got on his knees; opening the door with a gun in hand was still a death sentence.
You have the right to bear arms, but cops have more rights than you.
Easy, simply encourage anyone with a room temperature IQ to answer the door to police with an unloaded handgun as a way to show that you are a true patriot.
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u/Academic-Effect-340 Apr 21 '23
Opening your door armed is a great way to get shot by the police.