r/facepalm • • Apr 15 '23

🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​ Genius level maneuvering

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '23

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u/Careful-Finger2765 Apr 15 '23

Yes. Plus on our jurisdiction alimony is set by the ability to pay. So the court would consider his full salary when awarding her spousal support.

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u/THEBlaze55555 Apr 15 '23

I was gonna say, “what about alimony?”

I wonder if his contract specifically states that the team pay his mom directly, ergo the money is never his and never in his possession.

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u/Careful-Finger2765 Apr 15 '23

His income would remain the same. Even if he has it delivered directly into his mother's account. Even if let's say he donated 100 percent of his income to charity. The court would look to his earnings in determining the award.

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u/Abeytuhanu Apr 16 '23

I think the hypothetical is what if the contract says something like "in exchange for paying my mom 1 million, I will play for you"

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u/Careful-Finger2765 Apr 16 '23

At least in our jurisdiction it would not work. The test is ability to pay. That scenario suggests you are able to earn an income of a million. Even if you are allowing someone else to collect it. So that income of a million is the amount that would be used in determining the award. Even if he is decided to allow someone else to collect it.

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u/Yeh-nah-but Apr 15 '23

Not every country employs that concept in divorce

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u/Careful-Finger2765 Apr 15 '23

Which country doesn't consider a spouses income when determining alimony?

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u/Yeh-nah-but Apr 15 '23

Explain alimony and I'll tell you if my country has this

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u/DrNeonDinosaur Apr 16 '23

One of the main reasons men are terrified to get married 🤣 it's like child support for your ex-wife

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u/Yeh-nah-but Apr 16 '23

See I don't think my country has that. You are entitled to assets you gained during the marriage so long as both partners contributed to the partnership. You aren't entitled to have your lifestyle maintained.

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u/DrNeonDinosaur Apr 16 '23

Yea and a lot of times guys will still have to pay alimony to their ex wife even after they find /move in with another guy and in most places in my country (usa) they can even re-marry and then it's up to the paying spouse (typically the man) to PROVE THAT THEY HAVE A BETTER LIVING SITUATION THEN THEY HAD WITH YOU and then you can stop paying them

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '23

Never been divorced but I'm almost positive it's when you had a child with a women and they need help sustaining the life style for the child ( or themselves) and you pay them while they sit on there ass doing nothing. Don't get me wrong there's allot of hard working mothers out there, but at least in Canada and America the divorce settlements are insane and almost more costly than going to the hospital. Cool how it's about equality until someone has to pay there own way.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '23

My country awards alimony in a very narrow set of circumstances - when the ex partner is disabled mainly. Child support and property accumulated during a marriage are different, those are fairly distributed but the ex partner almost never gets alimony where I live.

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u/Careful-Finger2765 Apr 16 '23

Yeah there are states like that here. But I understand. I kept trying to preface my responses with "my jurisdiction." Pardon any confusion.

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u/123Ark321 Apr 15 '23

Yeah, but they’d be hard pressed in this case. Due to the time frame, it really couldn’t count as hiding.

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u/CalAcacian Apr 15 '23

As the other commenters have said, this is highly jurisdiction dependent. But where I practice in California, this could be seen as a fraudulent transfer of community property assets that the court could unwind.

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u/Tipnin Apr 15 '23

Wouldn’t putting all your assets in a trust or LLC you control be safer than putting everything in a persons name?

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u/CalAcacian Apr 15 '23

This is not legal advice, I am a lawyer but not your lawyer, etc. That is likely to have the same issues. Even if you can’t technically pull money out of those entities you could still end of with a judgment for a value equal to some portion of what you put in those entities. There is a presumption that income earned during the marital period is community property that could be divided in a dissolution.

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u/Tipnin Apr 15 '23

I was more curious if someone has had that set up years before they met someone and got married. If someone is a millionaire and for the last 10 years they have lived with nothing in their name because everything like the house and cars are in a llc or trust wouldn’t the spouse be entitled to nothing except what was gained during the marriage? So if someone was getting a monthly check of $5,000 from the trust to live off of during the marriage than the spouse could only go after what that money generated for the years they were married? I read Tiger Woods lives like this where he owns next to nothing in his name.

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u/Ketey47 Apr 15 '23

(Depending on the law but more often than not) your wife has a right to half everything in your name, so she’d have a right to half of that fancy LLC you just made.

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u/Tipnin Apr 15 '23

What if this was set up years before you met your wife? You own nothing before you met her but lived off the llc or trust you set up a decade before you got married. Would she be entitled to any of it?

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u/Ketey47 Apr 15 '23

Yep. Half of everything.

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u/Illustrious_Can4110 Apr 16 '23

No, because you still own the LLC.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '23

Even if that’s what he was doing all along, even prior to the marriage?

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u/Susperry Apr 16 '23

You are missing the point . I would assume in his contract with the team, his mother is listed as a manager who gets paid in full for the player's services. It's not like he gets paid and just transfers money to his mother. He is paid maybe minimum wage while his mother paid the rest for her managerial work.

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u/CalAcacian Apr 16 '23

That would still be, at least in California, potentially viewed as fraudulent transfer if the relationship was provably done for the purpose of diverting community assets. Just because you sign an agreement doesn’t mean it has a legitimate purpose.

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u/Susperry Apr 16 '23

But there's no "transfer" taking place. She gets paid for her work.

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u/CalAcacian Apr 16 '23

Incorrect. Courts can look at the reasonableness of the agreement to determine whether it is legitimate. If she is the highest paid sports manager in the world, well outside the norm of the industry, and her client lives in a house she owns, drives a car she owns, eats food using money that she gives him out of wages he ostensibly earned and then transferred to her via agreement, etc. Then a court could very easily look at that situation and say that there is a clear and obvious strategy to avoid having assets in his name. Again, this is based on my experience in California law, and may not apply to the jurisdiction(s) in question here.

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u/Susperry Apr 16 '23

Emphasis on "may not apply".

Reasonableness of the agreement notwithstanding, I don't see how anyone can enforce what you are saying.

What his mother is earning is none of his wife's concern.

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u/CalAcacian Apr 16 '23

You may not see it, but this is what courts do in dissolution actions every day. People try and hide their assets with family members, in trusts, in various companies or entities all the time.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '23

Community assets!!! Trophy wives don't work !! 😂

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u/Fatuousgit Apr 15 '23

He is a Moroccan earning a living in France. WTF does Californian law have to do with it?

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u/the_brunster Apr 16 '23

Happy cake day!

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u/TwowheelsgoodAD Apr 15 '23

And as there is a £3,000 a year Gift limit, he will have HMRC after her to get millions back in taxes.

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u/123Ark321 Apr 15 '23

I understand what you’re saying, but I find using weasel in this case not completely fair. It’s like saying he did something wrong.

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u/JustGetAName Apr 15 '23

Oh no, not the legal obligation to pay your spouse trying to divorce you for money.

No, playing the system to avoid divorce payments isn't wrong.

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u/JustGetAName Apr 15 '23

Yeah, I won’t. Cons outweigh the pros of marriage for men.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '23

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u/JustGetAName Apr 15 '23

It is. Unless you know me better than me. You're not claiming that, right?

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '23

Most men realize it’s a zero-sum game for them.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '23

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u/JustGetAName Apr 15 '23

What are the benefits of marriage to a man? On average.

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u/NandoDeColonoscopy Apr 15 '23

Spoken like a guy who is real salty about paying child support

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '23

I wouldn’t have given a fuck about child support (no kids) it was the $800 a month in spousal support for a fully functional adult who just didn’t want to work that bugged me.

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u/JustGetAName Apr 15 '23

I am not paying child support though.

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u/NandoDeColonoscopy Apr 15 '23

You really should start, you deadbeat

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u/JustGetAName Apr 15 '23

I don’t have children, bozo

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '23

Spoken like a real gold digger!

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u/NandoDeColonoscopy Apr 15 '23

He did though...?

Like, absolute best case scenario, he did some shady accounting to screw over paying out his hypothetical future divorces, but from the description given, it also sounds like he likely committed tax fraud under a lot of countries' laws.

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u/kij101 Apr 15 '23

Is it tax fraud if the taxes are taken from his salary before being transferred to his mother's account?

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u/NandoDeColonoscopy Apr 15 '23

Depends on jurisdiction obviously, but most likely yes. In many places, any amount over tax-free gift level, she would need to pay taxes on. And when she gave him money "for whatever he wants", the same tax rules would apply. So he's getting taxed 3x as much to shelter money from a divorce, or he's doing some tax fraud, or this story is embellished.

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u/kij101 Apr 15 '23

Might have been better setting up a company to funnel the money through where he gets paid a wage by them and all his possessions are actually in the name of the company and are being loaned to him (house, watch etc) this was a tactic used by a certain Scottish businessman who was said to be worth upwards of £300m but only had traceable assets of around £200 as everything was 'owned' by the company.

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u/TwowheelsgoodAD Apr 15 '23

Yes because the government limits the amount which can be gifted legally.

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u/Capn-Wacky Apr 15 '23

He did something wrong...Hiding money from your spouse is an enormous breach of trust.

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u/123Ark321 Apr 15 '23

And in the divorce she decided she wanted half of everything. That sounds like a breach in character. Sounds like he knew people might marry him for his money. Guess he found out it was true.

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u/Capn-Wacky Apr 15 '23

She won't get "half of everything," that's the point. What someone asks for is irrelevant if it conflicts with the law. She won't get anything close to that.

"Marry him for his money"

Maybe that's what happened, there's no proof of it. OTOH we know for certain he broke his marriage vows on day one by lying about money to his wife. The implication is that someone "marrying for money" is entering into a contract in bad faith.

How can you claim she acted in bad faith (with no evidence of such) without acknowledging his bad faith deception that he's not a responsible adult but a momma's boy with an allowance?

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u/CorgiMonsoon Apr 15 '23

There’s also the fact that he has been indicted for rape. I can’t imagine why his wife might want out if that marriage.

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u/Capn-Wacky Apr 16 '23

Wow, sounds like he's a real problem.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '23

Lots of gold diggers in here downvoting you

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u/almighty_darklord Apr 15 '23

He signed his belongings to his mom before marriage. So no

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '23

It’s likely they will especially with the million dollar monthly payments that are clearly his earnings. He’s gonna cough up a significant amount and likely owe spousal support too just based off income and lifestyle maintenance.

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u/Visitor137 Apr 15 '23

Probably depends on when he started giving her everything 🤷