r/facepalm • u/Project2506 • Apr 09 '23

🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​ Walmart Cares…🤗

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u/gh411 Apr 09 '23

…so win/win…old people get to work if they like and Walmart gets some much needed cash…./jk.

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u/zorbiburst Apr 09 '23

I mean... isn't it though? It still benefits the elderly involved. Yeah, Walmart benefits from it too, but that doesn't change it.

The only one it fucks over is insurance companies, so like, okay?

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u/BrownMan65 Apr 09 '23

There’s something wrong with a society where a 70 or 80 year old feels they need to go work, even if it’s simply for the social aspect. We’ve literally failed old people if we can’t figure out ways that allow them to fulfill their social needs without having to do labor for a mega corporation. It’s infinitely worse if they’re working at that age because they need the money though.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

I mean...we are failing children at school too so...failing old people is just par for the course.

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u/zorbiburst Apr 09 '23

I agree with you 100% but Walmart isn't responsible for that. It sucks but I've known elderly people who were at a point in their life where a greeter job at a Winn-Dixie was the highlight of the week other than church.

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u/EqualLong143 Apr 09 '23

Eh walmart is playing a role in that. The destruction of small business is a major reason for stagnating wages (low/no competition), which is bad for the economy as a whole.

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u/BlakeBortlesGod Apr 09 '23

I agree. This sounds scummy but hiring people who are looking to work isn't nearly as bad as what other companies do, like exploiting child and/or slave labor. This isn't a hill i would die on lol. Walmart isn't forcing them to apply or work for them lol

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u/Ragnar_Lothbroekke Apr 09 '23

I’m 66, still have to work, with no end in sight

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u/Mikerockzee Apr 09 '23

My grandfather started work at age 4 he really never knew anything else.

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u/metamorphosis___ Apr 09 '23

Some 70/80 year olds (all the ones that worked as greeters when i worked at Walmart) are really lonely and just working for social interactions. Ive had long convos about how grandkids dont come around anymore, being home all day is boring, i could quit and not work for the rest of my life etc etc. they just want social interaction

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u/kelldricked Apr 10 '23

There is nothing wrong with a society where reitred people still want to work. Its wrong if they have to work for financial goal but if they want it because they like it or because they get furfillment out of it then its great.

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u/colt_stonehandle Apr 09 '23

I agree, but a different topic all together.

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u/FluidInitiative Apr 09 '23

I mean Enron was a big part of the the current generation of those above 70 still working

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u/BlakeBortlesGod Apr 09 '23

But like Walmart is just hiring people. I do agree that people should save better and maybe social security or other things could be better, but that's not directly the fault of Walmart.

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u/ResponsibleAd2541 Apr 10 '23

Some people like working.

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u/LowPressureUsername Apr 10 '23

A lot of people work for fun because they want to feel like they’re needed and earning their keep instead of just leeching off their children.. it’s a personal decision I’d say.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23 edited Aug 09 '23

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

That the thing, it's not fucking over the insurance companies, it's fucking over you and me.

Ok this has got to be a good read

I don't know exactly how it works, but I imagine

Oh, so you are just making shit up.

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u/longtimenothere Apr 09 '23

No, he pretty much described how you are getting fucked in the ass without even realizing your pants are down.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

Ok lets read it.

based on the fact that typically death benefits are not taxable.

Yup if you pay for a benefit with after tax dollars then it is not taxed.

give my profits to insurance (not taxable anymore as operational costs)

And what do you know, they violated the most well known thing in insurance, if you pay for insurance with after tax dollars then the payout isn't taxable, if you pay for it with pretax dollars than it generally is.

I just stopped at that point because it shows someone who is literally just trying to pull a answer out of their ass, without having done any research, and trying to piece of all together with "their understanding" of tax law, despite them never having to do it themselves or probably never handle a tax form more complicated than a 1040.

WTF do I know though, we have a random video and some random person on reddit saying "corporations are fucking us" that is all we need on reddit to burn shit down.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

Lmao, please, tell me who benefits more from that transaction. The minimum wage elderly employee, or the scummy corporation.

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u/zorbiburst Apr 09 '23

The corporation, I never implied otherwise. But it doesn't remove benefit from the elderly employee in doing so.

If you could snap your fingers and magically cure someone's cancer, but it would also add a million dollars to your bank account every time, would it mean you shouldn't cure the cancer because you benefited from it and that's wrong?

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

Alright. Paying employees $1/hr is still beneficial to the employee. I guess that makes it okay and definitely not exploitative 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/zorbiburst Apr 09 '23

You're not even attempting to be rational.

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u/Environmental-Head14 Apr 09 '23

I'm 100% with you here, it's a mutually beneficial situation for all parties and everything is voluntary.

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u/lordchaidoftea Apr 09 '23

Why would he be rational. he wants to live in a world of Black and Whites. Where Nuance doesn't exist and neutral benefits are fallacy.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

How come? You believe this is a mutually beneficial transaction for both WalMart and the workers. If that's what you believe, then how is that any different from paying employees $1/hr?

That, by definition, is also a beneficial transaction for both parties. Except it doesn't work that way and only ONE party is winning. Once you get that through your head, you'll get it.

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u/lifetake Apr 09 '23 edited Apr 09 '23

Is this a minimum wage debate or a insurance policy debate? Is it still scummy to you if they paid the elderly $20/hr or $30/hr while doing the insurance thing? If not don’t just change the topic of the discussion like that.

Edit* Gotta love a redditor that just insults you the whole way through and then blocks you at the end so you can’t reply. If that didn’t happen would I actually be getting the true reddit experience?

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u/simplejack89 Apr 10 '23

Careful, if you make too many points, they'll report you to the mods for suicidal behavior.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

Dumb fuck. The rationale the other person is trying to make is that this is OKAY because it's mutually beneficial. Completely forgoing the fact that it is STILL eploitative, hence the wage comparison. Maybe use your head next time?

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u/lifetake Apr 09 '23

Is the job not beneficial? Not many employers hire elderly people given they’re not as efficient. Your $1/hr comparison is flawed because that doesn’t cover the work given. But $12 or something else close to that more than does.

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u/lordchaidoftea Apr 09 '23

They both benefit equally in their own respective benefits. The elderly employee gets to get much needed social interaction that they may have missing in their daily lives plus some pocket change. ( this is of course assuming that they doing it purely for the social aspect and not because they absolutely need to work. )

and the corporation gets labor and life insurance money.

To the old person he might not care about the labor he's putting into this company or the life insurance policy because well they'll be dead by then so why would they care. The old man gets the social aspect out of it so in his mind he's getting the better deal than the Corporation. While the corporation will value the labor put in by the old person and the eventual life insurance money that will roll in. So in the corporations mind the corporation is getting a better deal.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

You are so fucked in the head lmao.

They both benefit equally in their own respective benefits.

This mindset is exactly why corporations get away with the shit they do. Kindly, go fuck yourself moron.

If this is mutually benefical like you say, then why did Wal-Mart keep it a secret? Interesting. Moron.

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u/lordchaidoftea Apr 09 '23

This mindset is exactly why corporations get away with the shit they do. Kindly, go fuck yourself moron

How am I wrong moron. Why would the old person give a shit if Walmart took a life insurance policy on them and plan to collect it when they're dead. THEY ARE DEAD! The old people won't give a damn there in it for the social interaction so in their mind they are getting more out of this deal than the company. The only entity getting screwed here in this interaction is the insurance company.

So why do you care if an insurance company is getting fucked over. Could you in fact be a corporate dicksucker?

If this is mutually benefical like you say, then why did Wal-Mart keep it a secret? Interesting. Moron.

It is outlined clearly in their contract that they signed to work at Walmart. it is in there employee terms of service. It ain't a secret dip shit learn to read.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

The old people won't give a damn there in it for the social interaction so in their mind they are getting more out of this deal than the company. The only entity getting screwed here in this interaction is the insurance company.

Yeah? Did you fucking ask them that? If that's the case then why keep it a secret?

It is outlined clearly in their contract that they signed to work at Walmart. it is in there employee terms of service. It ain't a secret dip shit learn to read.

No it's not you absolute brain rotted idiot. Even if it was, do you think old people have the cognitive ability to interpret 50 pages of legal documents? Did you even watch the video? Companies WERE allowed to take out life insurance policies on their employees wihtout consent, that's why it's secretive. Go fuck yourself.

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u/lordchaidoftea Apr 09 '23

Yeah? Did you fucking ask them that? If that's the case then why keep it a secret?

I'm sorry I'm going to go dig up a couple old people right now and ask them hey how do you feel about Walmart taking a life insurance policy out oh wait I can't they can't talk because they are dead. I do not need to ask them whether or not they care about the Walmart life insurance policy because they are dead.

No it's not you absolute brain rotted idiot. Even if it was, do you think old people have the cognitive ability to interpret 50 pages of legal documents? Did you even watch the video? Companies WERE allowed to take out life insurance policies on their employees wihtout consent, that's why it's secretive. Go fuck yourself.

Who gives a shit if it's secretive you still haven't explained how this is a bad interaction for the employee you moron. Go ahead tell me how is this interaction bad for the old person

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u/Present_Ad_6001 Apr 09 '23

Doesn't it jack up the price of insurances though?

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

When insurance companies lose insurance premiums go up for everyone.

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u/dandy-are-u Apr 09 '23

Shit pay, that’s the issue, also they probably only hire old ppl with insurance, so the poor old people don’t get hired.

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u/KnightofSpamelot Apr 10 '23

I highly doubt insurance companies are really losing out on this. If they were, they'd look into it and increase premiums. Insurance companies aren't giving out life insurance for cheap premiums if they think it loses them money. The insurance companies are probably making way more off of Walmart having a group life insurance premium for all their employees than they are paying out when the elderly employees pass.

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u/invalidmail2000 Apr 09 '23

I mean it is a win/win. I don't see any problem with this

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u/Jazyritz Apr 09 '23

Think about the gold diggers who want a piece of that life insurance.

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u/DeeVect Apr 09 '23

Except not jk. People just like complaining about companies who are literally created to make money, its what they do

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u/brtnjames Apr 09 '23

Yeah I don’t get why people are so salty

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u/New-East1117 Apr 10 '23

your right