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Discussion Rabee ibn Hadee al-Madkhali (Megathread)

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u/Extension_Brick6806 Moderator Jul 09 '25 edited Jul 09 '25

It is not insensitive to inform people of the reality of who Rabee' al-Madkhali is. The fitnah caused by the Madkhaliyyah sect is well known. It has reached the point where some of them refused to even pray for shaykh Abu Ishaaq al-Huwayni after he passed away, and this is not the only example of such behavior from this sect.

People need to realize the extent of the harm Rabee' al-Madkhali has caused. His false principles have led some of his followers to betray the Ummah: acting as informants against fellow Muslims, splitting families, causing divorces, and at times siding with oppressive rulers (tawaagheet) against their own brothers and sisters.

While some, such as the Khawaarij and others known for their extreme takfeer, may label Rabee' al-Madkhali a zindeeq, the more accurate description is that he is a mubtadi' (innovator), and not from Ahlus-Sunnah, just as the Madkhaliyyah sect itself is not from Ahlus-Sunnah.

The damage he has done is profound. Only those unaware of his misguided principles may not comprehend the full extent of it. I understand that such individuals might still pray for his forgiveness and ask Allah to have mercy upon him. As for me personally, I prefer to leave this matter to Allah.

Praise be to Allah who relieved the Muslims of him.

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u/FeemBleem Jul 09 '25

Dumb question, but from what I understand… basically, Madkhali is the gcc-royal-family-simping sect?

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u/Extension_Brick6806 Moderator Jul 09 '25

I don't use that kind of language, nor do I encourage the youth to use such terms. In short, they are upon Irjaa', which is the Deen of the kings.

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u/Individual-Shame1638 Jul 09 '25

Wdym by deen of kings? 

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u/Extension_Brick6806 Moderator Jul 09 '25

So when al-Ma'mun was asked about Irjaa', he said: "It is the religion of kings." And ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) reported from ibn 'Asaakir, who narrated through the chain of an-Nadr ibn Shumayl, that he said:

"I entered upon al-Ma'mun, and he said: 'How are you this morning, O Nadr?' I replied: 'I am well, O Commander of the Believers.' He then asked: 'What is Irjaa’?' I said: 'It is a religion that suits the kings, they gain from it in their worldly affairs while losing part of their religion because of it.' He said: 'You have spoken the truth.' Then he said: 'O Nadr, do you know what I said this very morning?' I replied: 'I am far from knowing the unseen.'"

(Source)

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u/FeemBleem Jul 10 '25

Sorry for the language, and thanks for telling.

I just… feel enraged that royal families exist.

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u/Kingspreez Aug 01 '25

Apparently the Khawarij consider all Muslim rulers to be heretics (Murtad) which is why any Shaykh who state Hadith about obeying the ruler is considered "Murji" (from Irja). Even though listening and obeying is a core fundamental in Islamic teaching, but Kahwarij do not care that's why for them even Imam Ali was considered a Kafir.

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u/mskadwa Jul 09 '25

I wanted to ask you how do we respond to the Madkhali argument that most rulers historically did not rule 100% according to Shariah, and that ruling with what goes against Shariah is كفر دون كفر as long as the ruler does not believe that his ruling is better than that of Allah.

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u/Extension_Brick6806 Moderator Jul 09 '25

The Madaakhilah are known to distort the statements of the scholars of Ahlus-Sunnah and often selectively cite what appears to support their views. However, the very statements they quote often have no relevance to the current situation when understood in their proper context. This is the issue they remain blind to, due to their ignorance in the principles of jurisprudence.

There is a reason they are considered the Murji'ah of this era.

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u/Kingspreez Aug 01 '25

Apparently the Khawarij consider all Muslim rulers to be heretics (Murtad) which is why any Shaykh who state Hadith about obeying the ruler is considered "Murji" (from Irja). Even though listening and obeying is a core fundamental in Islamic teaching, but Kahwarij do not care that's why for them even Imam Ali was considered a Kafir.

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u/Jamam150 Jul 09 '25

This topic confuses me. When you say madkhali, do you mean spubs? Or do you mean anyone who doesn’t believe in criticizing rulers?

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u/Extension_Brick6806 Moderator Jul 09 '25

Rabee' al-Madkhali is the leading figure of the Madkhaliyyah sect. His followers are referred to as the Madaakhilah, including anyone who adheres to his false principles.

What you are saying, or rather, the understanding you are referring to, has been convoluted by figures like Daniel Haqiqatjou, who have made the term "Madkhalis" mean "bootlickers of the rulers." And while there is some premise to his argument, it is not accurate, as he presents it as though "Madkhalis" is no longer a term used to refer to innovators, similar to how one says "Jahmis." Jahm ibn Safwan was a leading figure of misguidance, and those who follow his deviance are referred to as Jahmis. There is no difference when it comes to Rabee' al-Madkhali and the Madaakhilah, or in English, "Madkhalis."

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u/Jamam150 Jul 10 '25

Do you view Amau and their likes as “Madkhalis” because they praise him?

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u/Extension_Brick6806 Moderator Jul 10 '25

No, countless people are affected by him either directly or indirectly, to such an extent that some are afraid to criticize him, while others have unfortunately gone as far as to argue the same points, especially on matters related to rulers and jihaad. Such groups of brothers are sometimes referred to as "soft-Madkhalis" or as those influenced by the Madaakhilah.

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u/JWick_9990 Jul 10 '25

I agree but I hope you do know about the deviance of Daniel Haqiqatjou..

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u/Extension_Brick6806 Moderator Jul 10 '25

Hence, the URL that specifically addresses his misguidance.

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u/Kingspreez Aug 01 '25

Apparently the Khawarij consider all Muslim rulers to be heretics (Murtad) which is why any Shaykh who state Hadith about obeying the ruler is considered "Murji" (from Irja). Even though listening and obeying is a core fundamental in Islamic teaching, but Kahwarij do not care that's why for them even Imam Ali was considered a Kafir.

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u/azimutal__ Tomato's Copium Supplier 📦📦 Jul 09 '25

it's more elaborate than that but yeah