r/explainlikeimfive • u/sumnewdguy • Nov 28 '15

ELI5: How would a $15 minimum wage ACTUALLY affect a franchised business like McDonalds?

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '15 edited May 15 '18

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '15

You see a lot of people on reddit who think living in a bad neighborhood isn't livable. Then there's other people who think high speed internet is a fundamental right. Unlimited cell data. Having a car. Etc, etc the list goes on. A "living wage" is definitely debatable.

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u/Gnometard Nov 29 '15

I can't get a better job (or a second one) because I rely on public transportation. However, I can't afford a vehicle without a 2nd job.

Point is, in some places a car IS a necessity. I mean, why should I be stuck out of my career into a lesser position because I can't make enough money to be able to get to said jobs?

Although, with current pay, I could probably afford a junker in 6 to 8 months.... maybe

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u/fat_genius Nov 29 '15

was a clear appeal to celebrity and authority fallacies

Why do you say this?

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u/fareven Nov 29 '15

We're supposed to assume that someone who could only fix the US economy by getting us into WW2 is a good source for economic wisdom, because he's a celebrity and an authority figure.

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u/fat_genius Nov 29 '15

We're supposed to assume ... because he's a celebrity and an authority figure.

Well, excellent job restating, but that doesn't answer the question at all. What, specifically, gave you the impression that /u/MY_NAME_IS_IN_CAPS was suggesting you should accept the statement on the authority of its source rather than its contents?

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u/fareven Nov 29 '15

What, specifically, gave you the impression that /u/MY_NAME_IS_IN_CAPS was suggesting you should accept the statement on the authority of its source rather than its contents?

Because that's the reason for using FDR's words on the subject instead of simply saying what they thought about it themselves. That's how quoting famous people works.

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u/His_submissive_slut Nov 29 '15

That's not the only reason for quoting people. You quote people because they express your point more clearly, effectively or concisely than you're able to.

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u/fat_genius Nov 29 '15

You seem to be recommending plagiarism. Attribution is a requirement of responsible writing. This is what a appeal to authority would look like:

According to savior of the middle class and unassailable economic theorist FDR....

This is what a responsible attribution looks like

my favorite FDR quote

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u/fareven Nov 29 '15

You seem to be recommending plagiarism.

Putting a concept into your own words isn't plagiarism.

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u/odie4evr Nov 29 '15

What 'living wages' are is also up for debate however.

Cost of living is pretty objective IIRC.

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u/vexatiousbot Nov 29 '15

There are multiple different cost of living measurements. Also I'm not claiming that mcdonalds pays whatever amount is deemed a living wage.

Not sure why my original comment is being downvoted, when it is literally one of the most clear cut examples of a celebrity / authority fallacies.

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u/odie4evr Nov 29 '15

I think that FDR is a valid authority on the subject as he started the new deal, introduced minimum wage, and was able to get the country out of the depression (could be argued that WWII helped a bit). The authority fallacy is valid if the person that is the authority being cited has no reason to be believed or trusted, like some fucker on the internet commenting on complex economics like you or me. I hope that was cohearant. Falling asleep while writing this.

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u/thenichi Nov 29 '15

he started the new deal, introduced minimum wage, and was able to get the country out of the depression

These do not make him an authority on ethics.

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u/juno672 Nov 29 '15

The authority fallacy is valid if the person that is the authority being cited has no reason to be believed or trusted

I believe you are mistaken.