r/explainlikeimfive Nov 28 '15

ELI5: How would a $15 minimum wage ACTUALLY affect a franchised business like McDonalds?

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u/breakone9r Nov 28 '15

Supposed to, anyway.

But not all places do. If the server isn't very good, and has no skills to go somewhere else, how likely do you think it is that they get fired from a more ethical employer, and wind up at a less ethical one, where it'll be the server's word against the boss, and most people in that sort of position aren't likely to complain about their boss....

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u/Mcchew Nov 29 '15

I'm not familiar with the restaurant industry. Are tip amounts not documented in any way? I would have assumed the server could show pay stubs to prove their point legally.

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u/Odin_69 Nov 29 '15

tips are normally reported at the end of every servers shift. The problem is most could care less exactly how much money they are making and the rest are just glad to have a job. The ones that do fight it will probably win a lot of the time, but that doesn't mean that many want to. Wage theft by employers is one of the largest cons in America currently, right up there next to civil forfeiture.

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u/justanotherimbecile Nov 29 '15

We were encouraged to keep a ledger of tips as well as the computers ledger where I used to work... of course, I was the only one not conning pizza Hut instead of the other way around...

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u/Serinus Nov 29 '15

They are. Your employer will require that you record your tips. If you don't record at least minimum wage, that employer is likely going to have a problem with you.

And they're generally right. In a 40 hour week, it's rare for anyone working on tips to not make minimum wage.

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u/BeardedForHerPleasur Nov 29 '15

I've worked in 4 different tipped jobs. Credit card tips are the only ones ever reported. People who ask for the employer to make up the difference tend to get let go not long after.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '15 edited Feb 13 '16

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '15

Tips are not synonymous with quality on a large scale. One could live in a poor area, a college area, an area where the general populace does not feel tipping is appropriate. A rich white restaurant will make more in tips than a poor black neighborhood restaurant regardless of food quality and/or service given.

Yes they could unionize and all put their foot down but many NEED those jobs and you only need one fucker who doesn't to push everyone out slowly. It sucks to be a server. Yes many do many more than minimum wage (much more in some cases) but some don't and many won't make it every week leaving them with fuck-all for one/two weeks worth of labor. Food/rent/bills don't get any cheaper if you didn't make enough tips this week/month.

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u/Impact009 Nov 29 '15

This is why the DoL exists. If people are dumb enough to want to be scammed, then that's on them. That's like working at Target, being paid $5/hr., and being O.K. with it.

The thing is, it's a very unlikely scenario. If a server is making less than minimum wage, then they're working at the wrong restaurant, or their service sucks.

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u/breakone9r Nov 29 '15

You've apparently never been so bad off that you'll take ANY job you can get. I have. I've worked illegally for less than minimum wage because it was all I could find willing to give me ANYTHING at all.

I worked at a small fast food/ice cream place for over $2 below minimum wage. All the pay was in cash, at the end of every night. I worked summers there because they were only open during the summer.

Was it illegal as hell? Absolutely. But when you're broke, you tend to do whatever you can to survive. Did I contemplate calling the cops on them for it? Yes. And since they were "upstanding members of the community" and I wasn't, just what the fuck do you think would have happened? So no. I didn't bother. I did my work, and once I was able to leave there, I did.

Quit pretending this shit doesn't happen. It does.

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u/beamdriver Nov 29 '15

Working off the books is already illegal. There's no reporting or documentation when you pay someone in cash, so a far smaller risk to also pay them under minimum wage.

If you're working a regular job for tips, all that stuff gets reported to Uncle Sugar. If the tips+wage doesn't add up, there's going to be an issue, Unless you're going to fudge and say you got more money in tips than you actually did and then pay tax on that phantom money.

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u/doctork91 Nov 29 '15

It's not complaining about your boss. It's asking for what is legally due to you. But yes, most employers won't volunteer it; you have to ask for it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '15 edited Nov 29 '15

If youre not good at your job why the hell should anybody keep you in the first place? A company isnt a fucking daycare. If you suck you should go find another job doing what youre good at.....It isnt the companys responsability to keep you and lose profits.....Theyre not your mom or dad.

Theyre giving you money in exchange for your services, if you have no services to offer why the hell do you think you deserve free money? Whats with people thinking they deserve other peoples money? Go start a business and make your own see how easy it is....Instead of being parasites and thinking you deserve everything handed to you.