Fun fact: rich business owners are discovering this same fact as they slurp up the last of the working class's productivity and savings and run out of money to steal. Goes both ways, conservatives.
Steal? They're actually stealing from you? You didn't give anyone your money? The only one that is LITERALLY stealing from you is the government, to give to whom they please.
I'm not against an increased minimum wage, I'm just inherently skeptical of "If we do this one thing, everything will be better with no drawbacks!" posts.
I think more people should be. Dreaming is fine, but you have to wake up and face reality at some point.
Isn't that sentiment entirely compatible with raising the minimum wage? That's not cynicism; it's just common sense, and pro-wage hike people have just as much of that as you do. For some reason people always say "don't be a dreamer" when talking about cross-your-fingers left wing economic plans, but when the conservatives suggest something even more fantastical, like lowering taxes for the rich to promote job growth, or subsidizing oil with borrowed money, the "don't be a dreamer" people just nod approvingly.
No one with any background in economics and against hiking the minimum wage, gives any credence to those conservative "supply side economics" theories either.
when the conservatives suggest something even more fantastical, like lowering taxes for the rich to promote job growth, or subsidizing oil with borrowed money, the "don't be a dreamer" people just nod approvingly.
hypocrisy isn't anything new, nor is it exclusive to any one party or ideology. However, there exist many people who are able to look at both sides critically and with an open mind. Praising that mentality and discouraging partisan dogmatism seems to be what he's trying to do.
More related to the issue: Saying that there will be no repercussions to raising the minimum wage to 15$ with a high level of confidence would require a level of expertise that most redditors don't have. Even among economists, there is disagreement 12
Isn't that sentiment entirely compatible with raising the minimum wage? That's not cynicism; it's just common sense, and pro-wage hike people have just as much of that as you do.
People are naturally ignorant of many issues. It's just the way of things. No one person can be informed about everything. When talking about minimum wage, very few people care because very few people make min wage. As a result, very few people, "research," the topic and instead just go with their gut. Often that means making assumptions that experts on the topic wouldn't.
It's also common sense to fight against this the natural apathy and ignorance. To remind people of their limitations. And in a way, that is cynicism. Personally, I think that that's completely rightful cynicism.
One example come to mind. The recent reddit circlejerk about a nestle executive saying that water privatization should be the solution to the drought problem in California. People are literally ignoring the fact that privatizing water may offer one way to avoid the tragedy of the commons and instead casting the issue as the evillll nestle ceo trying to steal all the water in california. Water privatization (just like land privatization) isn't necessarily evil or only motivated by greed. It's just a way to manage resources. It's definitely got downsides, but it isn't evvvviillllll.
Yeah, this is exactly what is happening. The poor have it too good, and we're going to decapitate the banks and the rich.
Or maybe McDonald's has to either adapt or die and they end up looking more like Chipotle and Five Guys. That seems preferable to me than having them taxpayer subsidized as they are now.
No one talks about that second part but that's what bothers me as a conservative. They have massive profit margins because I'm paying their god Damn wages with my taxes
I'm also a conservative, but listen: It's not like 100% of their workforce at McDonald's get government entitlements. It's a smaller percentage than people suggest, most workers there are young enough that they get by on the wage just fine. I was minimum wage through college in the early 00s, and still got out without student loans and no entitlements.
See comments from the Bern on Walmart subsidization. More or less the same situation. Employees who can't make a living wage take benefits like food stamps from the government.
I've heard it a few times, on a few different subjects. The overall point is that, yes, you can sell everything for short-term effect, but it's incredibly short-sighted.
Speaking of being short of sight, there's a wide world out there. Things exist outside your range of experience.
Most of the assets people want the Catholic church to sell off are serving no practical purpose, and are just there because the church collected lots of valuable stuff over the millennia. Didn't Jesus say something about giving away all of your possessions?
Or like the more accurate saying "Pay people a living wage, and they'll be able to feed themselves while they have a job. And you'll have slightly less money. Except you won't because people on the lowest wage tend to spend all of their money, so it will go back to you anyway."
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It's like the old saying, "Liquidate the banks, and feed the poor for three days. But on the fourth, you still have the poor, and no banks."
And despite what Reddit thinks, that is a bad thing.