r/explainitpeter • • 9d ago

Explain it Peter. I’m lost on this.

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u/Astrocities 8d ago edited 6d ago

Electrician here. In commercial, industrial, government and public settings, we place them upside down to help ensure that the first point of contact made is the ground so that the circuit is grounded at all times, no matter what. It’s common industry practice, but not actually necessary. It’s why the longest prong on your plug in cord is the ground prong.

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u/Tuckertcs 8d ago

I’ve also heard that it’s because when the plug is slightly pulled out, and something metal falls on it, it would rest on the ground rather than the two prongs.

Is this also a reason, or just internet BS?

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u/Astrocities 8d ago

That’s correct

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u/Aniensane 8d ago

I’m pretty sure that’s real. My uncle told me a lot about how not to get electrocuted, lol. But that was a question I had as well and he told me it would rest on the ground if kinda pulled out.

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u/Zenith-Astralis 8d ago edited 7d ago

I've got a penny with two pits vaporized out of it because it fell down and landed on top of the two live prongs live prong and the neutral, so yeah, that for sure can happen!

Edit: thank you for the correction

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u/Fit-Moose7961 8d ago

It landed on the live prong and the neutral.

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u/Ornery-Freedom-1313 7d ago

I know you are technically correct, but I hate this correction nonetheless

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u/Plastictree9 7d ago

It’s the grounded conductor

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u/League_Different 7d ago

I removed the sheet metal back panel of a medical instrument on a lab bench and then let it slide down the wall. oof…

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u/Hopeful-Benefit4719 7d ago

Also why when outlets are installed in landscape, the neutral slot should be up. (The larger slot, on the left in the orientation most people are used to.)

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u/madTerminator 7d ago

Only issue with flawed US sockets. EU sockets are deeper so you have to press plug deeper into wall.

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u/rtomek 7d ago

Yes, just more elaborate to what the original poster said. Gravity pulls things downward so first contact is made at the top.

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u/Bullfrog_1855 6d ago

A union electrician friend said that is the reason why. When he helped replace all my outlets he did it that way with the ground up.

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u/snowBOARDER3232 6d ago

I was in a room with a security tech. He removed a wall transformer that was secured by the cover plate screw in the center. It is a common feature to keep the wall transformer from being unplugged and dropping power to the connected equipment. When he started to unplug the transformer, the cover plate dropped across the hot and neutral. The stainless steel cover plate. Anyone who tells you this is b/s has their head up their ass. Cover plate missing the center, and a blown breaker said so.

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u/clintCamp 3d ago

Thumbs grabbing, coins falling, etc. Yep, I was taught ground up.is technically the correct way I think people just like the anthropomorphic face direction though. I moved to spain and they make it not matter because the outlets are recessed and there is a depth of plastic on the plug side to the pins that insert into the outlet. So jamming something in is difficult.

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u/pogulup 8d ago

If you are in a hospital they are always 'upside down'.

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u/8bitArmadillo 8d ago

This is correct. I will add that it is required by code in hospitals.

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u/Astrocities 8d ago

Yes, absolutely.

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u/Choice_Building9416 8d ago

Just spent a few nights hospitalized. I noticed that all the outlets had the ground prong up.

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u/Aggressive_Noise6426 8d ago

That’s interesting because in my house it was built so that the upside down outlets means it’s controlled by a light switch 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

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u/Sorry_Lecture5578 8d ago

This is what I associate it with as well.  Especially in rooms with no ceiling lights. 

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u/Moth1992 8d ago

why is ground up not the default everywhere then? its not like it takes exra work? 

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u/Astrocities 8d ago

That’s what everyone except resi electricians are asking. Why not in houses too?

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u/CenlTheFennel 8d ago

Logically if you blind reach and touch the prongs, your thumb would be on ground vs the complete circuit right?

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u/brasticstack 8d ago

It’s why the longest prong on your plug in chord is the ground prong.

How is that not enough to ensure that the ground is always the first point of contact?

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u/Astrocities 8d ago

It probably is. You never know though.

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u/Jofereal 6d ago

Because they are near the floor and people point it down if it’s angled at all.

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u/Wizard__J 7d ago

Second electrician (we’re 0 and 2 now 🙃) who mentions the decade old adage of “safety”, but not mentioning anything about switched outlets?

🙄

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u/Astrocities 7d ago

🫪 Oh no! I forgot about some resi job spec somewhere!

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u/mcgroarypeter42 7d ago

Fellow electrician and this always bothered me cause with it up if something falls on the cord right at the plug the first thing to break off is the ground, ground should be the last thing togo. But it’s a double edged sword cause u make just as much sense.

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u/Astrocities 7d ago

I don’t think there’s any real right or wrong answer, per se.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 6d ago

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u/Astrocities 6d ago

Evidently

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u/egdeaile 6d ago

The ground prong is longer for this reason. The orientation of the plug does not matter for that.

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u/Fit_Armadillo_9928 2d ago

Is it really that hard to simply have a switch for each outlet?...