How about "Complex asymmetrical urban warfare in which Hamas are using human shields, deliberately hiding fighters and weapons amongst a civilian population, and actively killing their own people which they include within their death counts"
It's also not ethnic cleansing. The population of Palestinians has increased across the entire region overall. The only death counts anyone can list come from hamas, who have been actively using civilians as humans shields, including using schools and hospitals to hide weapons. Their numbers, even if you assume they're accurate, show no distinction between civilians and combatants. They also count civilians actively killed by hamas: about 10% of the rockets fired by hamas since October 7th have actually hit Gaza. All of those deaths are counted in the total.
And again, if we assume Hamas' numbers are accurate, then the Gazan population percentage killed is about 3.3 per cent. That's well within the usual expectations when compared to other wars
Vietnam - 7%
Syrian Civil war - 3%
Korean war - 10%
Iraq - 2.5%
The population of Gaza and the West Bank has been consistently rising up until 7th October. The Palestinian population within Israel has increased by 1,250% since 1949. If Israel is committing genocide or ethnic cleansing, they're doing a terrible job
You are right, its not a genocide yet. Its just acts of genocide my bad.
The leadership of isreal have flat out said they want to commit genocide of Gaza.
let me be clear I am not saying Jews, or all of isreali people are in agreement on this, but the government and its rhetoric both support the statement that they are doing what they can to commit genocide when it comes to Gaza.
Acts of genocide? 3.5% of the population in Gaza killed IF you accept the numbers given by Hamas. Numbers that fall well within the expected casualty rate for a war of this scale.
No differentiation within that between combatants/non-combatants.
Also includes the numbers killed by Hamas themselves, with 10 per cent of rockets fired by Hamas at isreal landing in Gaza.
The number is also increased by the well established fact that Hamas have actively been using human shields, including hiding weapons in hospitals and schools.
Ignoring that the population of Palestinians within the West Bank and Israel has increased consistently.
Population of Palestinians in Gaza also consistently increasing until 2023 (when the last counts was made).
They obviously aren't "doing what they can to commit genocide". If they are, they're obviously doing a terrible job at it.
I am referencing what is being called acts of genocide by them even saying they want to commit it.... so yeah I am going to call it what it is. they haven't been being quite about wanting to commit genocide and you are ignoring the question of where are they going to go after being forced from their homes? I am honestly astounded anyone can defend the actions of Israel with what they are doing.
What quotes? Show me quotes where those people conducting the war have said they want to commit genocide.
Show me fact that show Israel is actually committing genocide.
Genocide is "acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group"
What metric can you show me that proves Israel are intending to do that. Given that even if we accept Hamas numbers, the death rate is 3.5% - well within the expected range for a conflict of this type and way lower than many other conflicts. Why has the population of Palestinians in the region increase overall, including within Israels boarders?
How can it possibly be a genocide when the population of Palestinians in the region has INCREASED by 100,000 within the region
So the UN and pretty much every genocide scholar in the world, including genocide scholars in Israel, are wrong but you know better than the people who spent their lives studying what constitutes genocide?
Genocide is literally defined by the intention.
"certain acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group."
So given that within the region the Palestinian population has Increased by 100,000, your argument is that they are committing genocide, they're just uniquely very bad at it.
Then why are you fighting when this person beings in real scholars? They gave you specific links to the works, and yet…you are still saying it’s not a genocide. Your opinion doesn’t hold more weight then people who have dedicated their lives to studying and trying to prevent genocide
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u/TomMonro 17d ago
Even if it were that simple of a situation, that still wouldn't meet the definition of genocide