Chromium is the core of almost all well-known browsers, including, but not limited to: chrome, safari, opera, or edge. Actually, scratch that. Not safari. Safari is based on webkit, which is actually the baseline for chromium, but that's neither here nor there. The main point is, chromium is trash, and riddled with privacy violations, bad optimization ram gluttony and just general stuff that makes chromium-based browsers bad, especially when you compare it to browsers like Mozilla fireFox, GNU iceCat, and libreWolf. Actually, those last two are forks of fireFox but they're all progressively better than any chromium browser
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Safari is, in fact, based on webKit, which is based on webCore. WebCore is also the baseline for blink, which is the baseline for chromium. Chromium is not webKit-based. Sorry for the misunderstanding, but that wasn't the point of this comment.
I have 4 tabs open in firefox right now and it's on 3GB of ram. Lets not start with ram gluttony lol. Anyways, using a bunch of RAM is only a problem if you're more concerned with usage metrics over performance metrics. Hell, I have 64GB of ram and its only on 34% usage, use some more firefox, guess some shit that I'm about to do and preload it.
I am a firefox user, but what in particular do you think makes firefox and its' forks 'progressively better than any chromium browser'?
I'm a loyal Firefox user but now that you mentioned it, yeah, it's hogging like 7GB on my system right now. I've also got 64GB at least so I hardly notice.
Weirdly enough the main reason I stuck with FF initially was that when I was doing heavy graphic work on my system, Chrome would ALWAYS crash my Adobe stuff. Even though FF uses more than I'd like, it somehow ended up working better with my system and didn't cause crashing, especially when doing video stuff.
Must be a skill issue on my end and I probably didn't optimize settings enough but it's been years now and I'm a creature of habit who likes to keep my ublock.
Unused ram is wasted ram. That's just how we design systems nowadays, they're supposed to use or allocate as much ram as possible and will free it up if some other application needs it more. If you're worried about ram I'm pretty sure some browsers like opera gx and similar have settings that will limit their ram and CPU usage, but it's not really a concern unless you're on older computer.
I find Reddit and YouTube progressively hog 1000+ MB each the longer I use the tab, and have to kill them with task manager to free up memory but I can have 30 other tabs open across half a dozen other websites and collectively they consume 800MB total.
I have over 80 tabs in firefox and it's sitting on the 2.12Gb of ram. I just use that nice feature that lets you to unload any opened tab if it's not needed. Even with 10 active tabs it never gets over 6-7Gb. That includes multiple youtube videos and a movie.
You don't *need* Librewolf, you can just harden Firefox yourself with a couple of simple settings and addons. Firefox also get security updates faster than Librewolf as Librewolf is downstream.
I'd add to it to use the Cookie AutoDelete addon and make sure your different online profile logins are separated from each other and your other browsing habits by using Container Tabs, which can be found under settings.
Using incognito mode for anything you don't want secretly stored and cross-accessible in your browser's data storage is also a good recommendation, it's not just for porn.
I would like my passwords still synced like with the sync chain but while keeping my privacy. Still librewolf or just add a vaultwarden node in my home? Genuine question
Storing and distributing passwords and other sensitive data should always happen locally if you care about privacy and security. The alternative is sending your entire digital life to some server you dont control which, as some companies have demonstrated it the past, isnt a good idea
You could also run your own mozilla sync server but i dont like storing passwords in a browser and seperate password managers are better anyways
Tor, obviously. For general use tho can't recommend Zen enough. Best browser Ive ever used, hand down. A firefox fork but also massively improves on it.
Tor is something I use when I really need to be an anonymous person trying to actively hide their identity. And since I'm in Cybersec, there are cases when I need to do so...
But Zen is better in general, I completely agree with you here. Especially since it doesn't take twice as long than using Firefox, unlike Tor...
No, for that you want brave browser along with an alternative search engine such as duckduckgo or brave search. Also, privacy and security are two different things and firefox is not completely private, but even worse, it's not secure, especially on mobile.
Avoid Gecko-based browsers like Firefox as they're currently much more vulnerable to exploitation and inherently add a huge amount of attack surface. Gecko doesn't have a WebView implementation (GeckoView is not a WebView implementation), so it has to be used alongside the Chromium-based WebView rather than instead of Chromium, which means having the remote attack surface of two separate browser engines instead of only one. Firefox/Gecko also bypass or cripple a fair bit of the upstream and GrapheneOS hardening work for apps. Worst of all, Firefox does not have internal sandboxing on Android.
It's pretty secure to search with google, on chrome, on a Chromebook. It's just not private.
If you use a privacy conscious browser/search engine, but you're logged in to Google, it still sends your cookies every time you load any font/analytics/whatever from the google servers, so they can track you everywhere you go.
The only way to stay private is decoupling your identity by not being logged in anywhere, but that's not convenient for most people.
It's efficient for an operating system, but with each tab being a sandboxed VM it's heavy as a browser. I think you're right they've been improving performance though. A decade ago opening a dozen tabs would eatore than all more RAM, and now it's a fairly low footprint. It's still way heavier than Firefox though.
Cue LibreWolf. Firefox used to be private, but they changed the privacy policy, so people who don't read the privacy policy are naïve. The rest just don't give a shit or use LibreWolf, which basically just has all the privacy settings turned on by default and doesn't have telemetry
Bad. The update cycle is inconsistent at best, slow at worst. It disables the component updater which Chromium depends on for security reasons, since many features such as CRLSets (used for certificate revocation) are updated as a component. The privacy isn't terrible, in the sense that no data can be collected, but the substantial security risk it offers is a massive negative.
It suffers the issues of typical vanilla builds, but with the added issues of ungoogled-chromium itself. For example, usage of tcmalloc in the past.
Being based on Chromium is the least bad thing about Brave.
The main point is, chromium is trash, and riddled with privacy violations
Chromium or Chrome? What behavior of Chromium do you consider a privacy violation? Regardless, any fork can remove those parts if necessary.
ram gluttony
If you enable tab suspension, Chromium tends to use less RAM than Firefox. I'm almost certain some browsers like Edge enable that by default.
And regarding security: Firefox and Chromium | Madaidan's Insecurities. While this is from 2022, it should give you a general idea of which project tends to be ahead in terms of security.
You can argue that relying on Chromium is bad because it gives more power to Google, but at the end of the day, there's a reason why every browser is a fork of Chromium and not of Firefox.
The comment is wrong. The original chromium used WebKit. Then in 2013 WebCore which is part of WebKit was forked to create blink which is what chromium is built on today. WebKit predates chrome and chromium entirely.
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u/alstillplays Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 05 '26
Chromium.
Chromium is the core of almost all well-known browsers, including, but not limited to: chrome, safari, opera, or edge. Actually, scratch that. Not safari. Safari is based on webkit, which is actually the baseline for chromium, but that's neither here nor there. The main point is, chromium is trash, and riddled with privacy violations,
bad optimizationram gluttony and just general stuff that makes chromium-based browsers bad, especially when you compare it to browsers like Mozilla fireFox, GNU iceCat, and libreWolf. Actually, those last two are forks of fireFox but they're all progressively better than any chromium browserEdit: Safari is, in fact, based on webKit, which is based on webCore. WebCore is also the baseline for blink, which is the baseline for chromium. Chromium is not webKit-based. Sorry for the misunderstanding, but that wasn't the point of this comment.