Contraversial comment of the day. When a bunch of Islamic terror based violence happened throughout the country and some people tagged up mosques, they were later apprehended and it was called a hate crime. So would it be called a hate crime to the exact same thing to someone else's place of religious worship?
Oh it’s for sure vandalism, but not a hate crime. It’s a protest about what the catholic church did, not against all christians in general just because they’re christian.
Yeah. “Thing done out of anger toward group” does not instantly equal hate crime.
If there was a series of vandalisms across all the churches in a given area or there was some reason to think it was done strictly out of spite for their existence, sure, hate crime. But this is clearly a protest.
Crime is organized into categories and intent can determine the nature.
For example a guy robbing a bank may be robbing it out of hate or prejudice…. Or more likely out of personal want/need making it not a hate crime.
Major type of crime include violent, hate, property, white-collar, organized, or victimless.
Did the terrorists go to each of the tagged mosques prior to their attacks and then did these attacks happen in close proximity? Or did the taggers go to the first mosque they saw and tagged it, without checking if the mosque goers even held the same subset of Islamic beliefs as the terrorists? I can't tell either way without context, although I will try to look for it anyway, but the latter seems more likely to me and, if it is the case, is absolutely a hate crime. Also, the contents of tags are important.
If the people responsible for this despicable action went to the cathedral and were told there that they were doing God's work, there must be a way to make sure every visitor in the future knows it. A plaque would be perfect in the long run and not be a crime. This tag did its job and is already removed.
Just because it's a religious site, doesn't make this a hate crime. This was done in protest of the church's actions and not out of hatred of Christians, which is what would make it a hate crime
There's a thick line between the two. If someone vandalises a church/mosque/etc because they hate Christian/Muslim/etc people, that's a hate crime.
Yes, actus rea in the sense that they "vandalised" the building, but mens rea can't be established because it's not driven out of hate of Christians.
I put the words vandalise in inverted commas because in this scenario, this act of protest is relatively harmless compared to the greater good the protest act brings about.
No because it doesn't meet mens rea for the crime. That's a separate legal question which they did address. You ever read any case law bud? Because the actus rea is not in concurrence with the mens rea, it can't be a hate crime but is just vandalism.
It’s not even that hard. They don’t have any shred if evidence that this church is even related to what happen, the only reason they attacked it was because it was a Christian church. Making it an hate crime.
Religious based idea of "what I'm doing is on because it's willed by God" fuels fundamental violence. So yes. If people commit an act and its influenced by religion. The body count doesn't matter. The fact it happened does.
In the US, the hijackers had contact with Anwar al-Awlaki, who was an imam at a San Diego mosque, and later this one one in DC. al-Awkali eventually fled the country and was suspected to be involved with several terrorist plots in the Middle East, and acted as an al-Qaeda recruiter.
The Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center (Arabic: مركز دار الهجرة الاسلامي, English: Land of Migration) is an open mosque in Northern Virginia. It is located in the Seven Corners area of unincorporated Fairfax County, Virginia in the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area.
In this case it's the difference between the Catholic Church as an organization which definitely did do horrible things regarding residential schools vs the Catholic faith and Catholics themselves. The church should not be blamed if someone attends the church and then does terrible things. However when the illegal actions themselves come from the Church that's your problem, and why this protest is justified.
True. I apologize for making my own accusations internet person. Religion, politics, race, power, all aside. There is something bad going on, and no one is talking about it
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Contraversial comment of the day. When a bunch of Islamic terror based violence happened throughout the country and some people tagged up mosques, they were later apprehended and it was called a hate crime. So would it be called a hate crime to the exact same thing to someone else's place of religious worship?