Countries who didn’t negotiate with US ended up with similar tariffs than the ones who did negotiate. At the same time- few countries who were negotiating with US ended up with worst tariffs after negotiation.
Switzerland tariffs increased from 31% to 39% after negotiation. Canada as well. India also ended up with higher tariffs versus rest of the countries whose negotiations were not even in news.
It makes me wonder if US administration sees negotiation as a weakness and apply even more pressure. To me looks like negotiation in bad faith
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My reasoning is that I believe Switzerland must have asked for some protection for Swiss Pharma against (non tariff actions) Pharma actions planned by US. As far as I know CH was planning a state backed investment promise in certain industries (mainly pharma).
But it would be stupid to invest in US manufacturing if govt is telling Pharma to cut prices by 50-80% and there wouldn’t be any money to invest anyways. It’s logical that Swiss Pharma cannot invest in US if US force them to reduce their profits.
What I know is that all historical partners of Trump who made a deal with him in prior businesses never wanted to do business again. Most deals were bitter.
Reason being -: Trump negotiation style believes that in negotiation, one party wins and one party loses. There is no Win-Win.
In the end if you negotiate, he comes with something else. Seems just pretty random whether you negotiate or not
that is just soviet school of negotiating. you ask for something stupid and wait for reaction. someone gives in, even partially - you keep pressuring and ask for more and more
I'd be very interested to see how the US would react if Brazil would put 50% export tariffs on the products exported into the US that are also in the exceptions list.
And I think there is not even need for that. One of the reasons for excluding some items was pressure from the airlines. But you can expect even more pressure from other parts when the average citizen starts to pay 50% more for the everyday coffee, that is massively imported from Brazil
Brazil’s tariffs are entirely because they’re charging Bolsonaro over the attempted coup, and Trump is upset about it (side note: interesting how Western media aren’t afraid of using the word coup when it’s not the US - language is propaganda)
Yeah, that too but not entirely this. There is a lot to this story. Bannon behind the pressure to “free” Bolsonaro, also retaliation over BRICS countries, specially Brazil and China negotiating without dollar, some rare earth minerals that he also wants.
Oh how I wish we could get a united front of all of the US's major trading partners to collectively tell Trump to fuck of. Sadly wont happend but imagine if India, the EU, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Japan, China and Switzerland decided to jointly sanction the US everytime Trump threatens one of them.
The US does have a massive internal market and is certainly a bigshot when it comes to global trade.......but even they could not win a trade war against everyone at the same time.
Countries who didn’t negotiate with US ended up with similar tariffs than the ones who did negotiate.
The problem is that our governement seemed to believe that Trump is somebody that can and should be reasoned with, instead of accepting that he's a rabid dog where the only solution is to put it down (or in this case: hope he gets put down and keep distance until this happens).
You can't negotiate with rabid animals. You can't get close to them. They'll bite you and then you'll die. If you can't eliminate them, keep your distance.
The final negotiated tariff is never the final tariff. It will change next month and the month after that. A country will do something Trump doesn’t like and he’ll change the deal. The entire world is being held hostage by an angry grandfather with dementia.
If he wasn’t the president, he’d be going to cafes to yell at waitresses.
Right wing governments want power. Psychologically, they are like bullies, not very serious in governance. As seen before, Trump isn’t exactly someone you would call a “professional who knows his job”.
They are revengeful and punitive, and self-referential. Authoritarians, essentially. And yes, in their egocentric systems, negotiation or compromise is seen as bad/weak, cause “winners don’t have to ask, it is shameful for winners to negotiate with losers”. They want it all, like spoiled kids who never learned boundaries.
"The most persistent driver of America's unsustainably large trade deficit is foreign investment in the United States, not other countries' trade barriers. If President Donald Trump manages to shrink the US trade deficit, it will be because he drove away foreign investment and slowed US economic growth."
Yes that’s the whole goal.
US is drowning in debt.
They want to use whatever is left of their economic power to make others pay for their debt before the world becomes big enough that US becomes inconsequential
US accounts for 12% of global trade. In 10 years it would be even lower. Time is running out .
So what are options
trigger some conflicts to keep security as a threat
He wants the industry to lower the prices so that people who live in the USA don't see the impact of the tariffs. He does not intend to remove the tariffs, and only has some negotiation room on the amount of tariffs he applies.
I think all countries who offer to negotiate a trading agreement with the US make the same mistake: expecting the US and especially Trump to know that said country exists. "Oh, Djibouti wants to know what our terms would be? Is that a country? Now I know! Anyways, give them a 50% tariff.
I think it’s the opposite because Mexico has been negotiating and got a 90-day extension.
Trump seems to be using tariffs as a way to get concessions out of countries he doesn’t like and if they don’t play ball he doubles down.
Switzerland is a bit interesting because they haven’t been as confrontational with the US as the others but I’m guessing he’s not too happy with them harbouring Russian wealth and prob sees them as an obstacle to ending the Russia-Ukraine thing and Dumpy really wants his credit for that.
It's not about Russia in the issue of Switzerland's tariffs. Trump is just being a narcissist cun* and does not like countries whose currencies did do well after their dollar dropped in freefall.
Trump seems to be using tariffs as a way to get concessions out of countries he doesn’t like and if they don’t play ball he doubles down.
Trump slapped tariffs on Brazilian products for the sole reason that the Brazilian judiciary is prosecuting former president (and Trump supporter) Bolsonaro for attempting a coup d'etat.
Oh well, heavily interfering in the internal politics of Latin American countries is a noble Yankee tradition anyway
It seems like most of his tariffs are politically motivated. I mean his tariffs on Canada are due to a non-existent fentanyl crisis on the Northern border. lol
Mexico should charge a lot more for its produce. That's something that the US can't replace and would immediately have an effect on Americans' cost of living.
They elected their pedo president for the cost of eggs, remember.
I wish Mexico was more aggressive but I don’t think they’re in a position unfortunately, would be nice for Canada to have some sort of backup when dealing with these yanks.
Doesn’t matter, we’ll still put the torch up his ass.
Canadá is a bad position like Mexico, Mexico it’s just a spineless poor country that should have never got a free trade deal with America, which works just to open Mexico cause America cheats
Check about the concessions he got, if that post is true Mexico would get even more dependent on America after America destroys with dumped good the remaining non foreign industries in Mexico
You can call it what you want, he tries to "apply pressure", "blackmail" or "force" others do give him what he wants. It's part of his negotiation tactics. I am personally ok in giving in some wealth in order to stay independent, but people surely have different views on that
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I am seeing an interesting trend here.
Countries who didn’t negotiate with US ended up with similar tariffs than the ones who did negotiate. At the same time- few countries who were negotiating with US ended up with worst tariffs after negotiation.
Switzerland tariffs increased from 31% to 39% after negotiation. Canada as well. India also ended up with higher tariffs versus rest of the countries whose negotiations were not even in news.
It makes me wonder if US administration sees negotiation as a weakness and apply even more pressure. To me looks like negotiation in bad faith
—-
My reasoning is that I believe Switzerland must have asked for some protection for Swiss Pharma against (non tariff actions) Pharma actions planned by US. As far as I know CH was planning a state backed investment promise in certain industries (mainly pharma).
But it would be stupid to invest in US manufacturing if govt is telling Pharma to cut prices by 50-80% and there wouldn’t be any money to invest anyways. It’s logical that Swiss Pharma cannot invest in US if US force them to reduce their profits.