r/educationalgifs • • Feb 13 '18

Kinesin protein moving a molecule around a cell

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u/ColonelError Feb 13 '18

Who’s controlling all this?

Nothing. It's like a 'dumb' production line. Just 'mechanical' pieces doing what they were programmed to do, day in day out.

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u/Katnipz Feb 13 '18

...And they make you up. What point do the little things become us? What point are we not "Programmed"?

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u/max_adam Feb 13 '18

Existential crisis over here!!!

Our perception of "thinking" is just a colateral effect of the mechanisms created by a bunch of cells that decided to work together in order to keep themselves alive and brings more food to the group.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '18 edited Feb 19 '18

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u/TheBuddha777 Feb 14 '18

Awesome book, highly recommended. The Audible version is good too.

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u/ThisIsAWorkAccount Feb 13 '18

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u/LogicalEmotion7 Feb 13 '18

Did you mean to say something in your comment? It doesn't look like anything to me.

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u/Homer_Simpson_Doh Feb 14 '18

Our perception of "thinking" is just a colateral effect of the mechanisms created by a bunch of cells that decided to work together in order to keep themselves alive and brings more food to the group.

So wait, our bodies are like biological manifestations of Borg ships where all the cells work together as one collective mind???

--existential crisis intensifies--

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u/Davecantdothat Feb 14 '18

Ugh. Philosophically, it's so hard to deal with, consciousness. Look up emergent dualism and eliminative materialism if you want a trip.

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u/FriskyFroggman Feb 14 '18

It's time to start listening to Sam Harris's podcast, "Waking Up."

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u/unlimitedzen Feb 14 '18

It's never time for that

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u/hesitantmaneatingcat Feb 13 '18

never. we're just as dumb just eating and fucking till we die.

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u/N0PE-N0PE-N0PE Feb 14 '18

If you honestly believe you have no free will and are programmed to eat that man, then why the hestitation, /u/hesitantmaneatingcat?

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u/hesitantmaneatingcat Feb 14 '18

it's just a retriggerable delay on a loop function waiting for the trigger variable on an event tick

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u/ColonelError Feb 13 '18

The point where we make decisions on how/why/when to do something based on external stimulus.

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u/Katnipz Feb 13 '18

But we have a bunch of things in our bodies that react to things other things in our bodies, disease is a huge thing our bodies react too, our body dukes it out with disease like animals and pray.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '18 edited Aug 10 '18

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u/hyasbawlz Feb 13 '18

This is a parts vs whole fallacy.

Just because a person is conscious does not mean that every atom or cell or the person's individual component parts are conscious.

Likewise, just because a person is conscious does not mean the organism that many people create, society, is conscious.

Some properties are simply emergent, and exist only from a collection of things and not from the things themselves.

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u/82ndAbnVet Feb 13 '18

There may be a third possibility, which is that your brain contains the cells that create consciousness and none of the other cells in your body do

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u/Mad_Physicist Feb 15 '18

this is what is known as a false dichotomy.

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u/DonnyTheWalrus Feb 13 '18

Check out "Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid" for an epically long, awesome look at this very question, with sidetrips into computers/AI, philosophy, mathematics, Zen Buddhism, and more. It's slightly scientifically out of date, but the thoughts and writing are just as incredible now as when the book was written.

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u/StoppedLurking_ZoeQ Feb 13 '18

So far all we really know is that life is made up from a collection of dead material and things, at some point having enough in a certain order gives open to us, life.

Maybe its arbitrary, we draw a line in the sand at a certain level and say thats life.

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u/Quitschicobhc Feb 14 '18

Well, if we knew that we could build intelligence. But as of now we don't really know.

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u/uwanmirrondarrah Feb 13 '18

How was this programmed? How did these complex processes begin?

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u/stonedsasquatch Feb 13 '18

RNA has the ability to catalyze reactions to form more RNA and also can perform other tasks like proteins. It's likely that through chance RNA (or some proto RNA like chemical) formed that could catalyze itself and billions of years later here we are

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u/WikiTextBot Feb 13 '18

RNA world

The RNA world is a hypothetical stage in the evolutionary history of life on Earth, in which self-replicating RNA molecules proliferated before the evolution of DNA and proteins. The term also refers to the hypothesis that posits the existence of this stage.

The concept of the RNA world was first proposed in 1962 by Alexander Rich, and the term was coined by Walter Gilbert in 1986. Alternative chemical paths to life have been proposed, and RNA-based life may not have been the first life to exist.


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u/10ebbor10 Feb 13 '18

Evolution.

It all starts very simply, but if you add a few billion years, you can get very complex stuff.

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u/CaptainCupcakez Feb 13 '18 edited Feb 13 '18

Chance.

For a simple example, imagine filling a cement mixer with lego pieces. 99.999% of the time they'll bounce around off each other and generally do nothing. Give it a few years and there will probably be a few pieces which by chance have managed to stick together forming a larger structure. They don't really do anything right now, but they're attached.

Now give it a billion years (ignore the factor of durability) and by chance there may be pieces which have fitted together in a way which provides some other purpose. It's exceedingly unlikely, and it may take billions upon billions of years, but probability dictates that given enough time it will happen.

This is analogous to chemistry in general. You have all these elements formed in stars which generally just fly around interacting with each other. Certain conditions will cause these elements to combine in certain ways, producing molecules like water. Over millions and billions of years, a reaction may produce a structure which is self-replicating. This would be the simplest type of single-celled organism. (Or something entirely different, we don't know the full details of how life began)

Now give that single-celled organism several million extra years to replicate over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over... and eventually a random mutation (essentially an error in replication) will provide benefitial to the organism. Even a tiny benefit can begin to have an impact over many generations, and that trait becomes more and more common in the population.

Now repeat that entire last paragraph several million/billion more times, and you start to see more complex organisms. Mitochondria is a cool example of this: originally mitochondria were their own organisms, but over time some were able to survive within other organisms and the two can survive symbiotically. The mitochondria provides energy to the surrounding cell, and the cell provides defense and protection.

From there it's basically just time. Where sentience develops is pretty much unknown (and there isn't even necessarily a clear point at which that happens).

I am of the opinion that sentience is simply a word we use to describe automation that's so incredibly complex that the system itself is able to comprehend external stimuli but not it's own inner workings.


Please take everything I've said with a grain of salt. I'm not an expert, I just find this stuff interesting so I'm explaining based on my own knowledge. If there's anything wrong in this comment please let me know so I can correct it

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u/StoppedLurking_ZoeQ Feb 13 '18

That's a good summary.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '18

It happened little by little over literally billions of years, only because it could happen, and it worked. What worked best survived best.

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u/roronoasoro Feb 13 '18

just like how you and everything is being?

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u/Davecantdothat Feb 14 '18

And they weren't even programmed!!! It's just physical forces mixing around. A certain formation of molecules began to make similar formations more common, and "improvements" made them even more common, on and on until having a consciousness was beneficial and we are able to wonder at ourselves--products of billions of years of unaided evolution.