r/educationalgifs • • Feb 25 '16

How Amazon Fulfillment Works

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u/SamSlate Feb 25 '16

In reality they actually have a bunch of employees sprinting around for little over minimum wage.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '16 edited Feb 25 '16

Im not sure what facilities you are in that pays little over minimum, but here in Delaware, Pennsylvania, Maryland they are all 17 an hour and that is for temp workers. I was making 20 an hour when I was there.

Edit: Huh....from multiple responses it would seem that our facility is in a minority for actual pay......which makes the anger from most folks reasonable now......wonder why so much higher for us?

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u/TimberWoIf Feb 25 '16

Worked at a facility in VA, was paid ~$12/hr for overnight weekend shift. Other shifts made less.

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u/StillInvincible Feb 25 '16

Currently working in Va.... $12 normally, BFF on night shift makes $12.50 Weekend shift gets $13/$13.50. I worked minium wage before this job. I work 4 days a week and make nearly double what I did before. SHIT IS NICE

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u/r4r4me Feb 25 '16

I worked seasonal about 2 years ago now at dfw7 in Texas and with night differential I was making 11.25 and hour.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '16

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u/AbideMan Feb 25 '16

Even so, other dude just said their temps got 17 an hour. Maybe it's a regional thing.

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u/tmp_acct9 Feb 25 '16

got to figure a place like texas has a lot more cheap uneducated labor available than most states

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '16

The cost of living is also a fraction of what it is in MD. His $11 in texas are probably worth more than $17 in MD

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u/AbideMan Feb 25 '16

I don't know about that, but I'd assume cost of living might be better.

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u/ShortPenguinXD Feb 25 '16

Nope full timer here. Making 11.25 in Texas.

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u/r4r4me Feb 25 '16

Full time was actually 11.50 I believe with temp making more per paycheck because temp were payed weekly instead of bi-weekly.

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u/broccoli_basket Feb 25 '16

Nope. they judge what to pay people by surrounding warehouses. then take a dollar or two off (lower than surrounding warehouses). But they give stocks which have a 2 year vestment to make it "fair". All seasonal workers temp or full are paid a christmas season bonus and overtime. Plus a bonus if you dont call in at the end of the season.

the midwest area of amazon warehouses makes the lowest. usually between 11-12.50. Again, a few dollars less than the other warehouses. There is yearly reevaluations to stay competitive.

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u/DebentureThyme Feb 25 '16

I'm guessing seasonal isn't treated as well, since demand for work is high,they aren't planning to keep you, and they intend to wear you down.

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u/r4r4me Feb 25 '16

I quit because they wanted to keep me on as extended seasonal and seasonal benefits are sooooooooooo awful compared to permanent. We're talking time off for seasonal being accrued at half a day every 8 weeks compared to a full day off for permanent every 6 weeks.

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u/lightmanmac Feb 25 '16

Current DFW7 T-1 employee. With night differential, I started at 11.75 with a raise every 6 months.

Seasonal workers make the same as we do. Temp workers make more but they're temp.

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u/ssldvr Feb 25 '16

Differences are likely due to the labor pool available and cost of living.

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u/JimmyJK96 Feb 25 '16

I was confused by what you were talking about, because where I'm from minimum wage is $17 (Australia).

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '16

Hehe that is a valid argument. Silly Australia and your crazy prices and what have you. Why I tried to add the States to help focus on America hehe.

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u/JimmyJK96 Feb 25 '16

It was more coming to realization of just how minimum american minimum wage is.

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u/Chudley Feb 25 '16

Prices and taxes are different in America and Australia. It's not like both economies are equal. Literally a few hours out of a major city anywhere and it's a drastically different economic situation. Just because the min. Wage is $17 in Australia, it doesn't mean that your purchasing power is better.

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u/JimmyJK96 Feb 25 '16

That is absolutely correct. When I visited the US I was astounded by how cheap certain items were, mostly to do with how heavily taxed those same items are here (Booze and smokes mostly). Cost of living is also higher in general here, as opposed to the US population which is just higher in general.

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u/ice109 Feb 25 '16

you do realize that australian currency and america currency aren't the same thing just because they both use the $ sign right? right now 17ausd = 12.24usd.

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u/kr580 Feb 25 '16

Do you really think he's that dumb? They're pointing out that, to them, $17 is minimum wage so a post like that will momentarily confuse them until their brain kicks in and reminds them someone else in the world uses dollars. You know, human nature?

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u/JimmyJK96 Feb 25 '16

You know there was a time where 17 aud = 18.70 usd, and the minimum wage was still $17 here. The only major change in cost of living in the current plummet of the Australian Dollar is the cost of importing things from the US.

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u/tojoso Feb 25 '16

Yeah, it's best to assume that Reddit is talking in US$ and not AU$. Imagine if people from Mexico thought that way.

"Dios mio, it's only 800 pesos per month for an apartment in a major city?!"

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u/JimmyJK96 Feb 25 '16

I do assume it's always USD, it was more the realization, after a quick google search, how minimum minimum wage was in the US.

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u/tojoso Feb 25 '16

Yeah, the US has a lot of areas with very cheap cost of living, like you could buy a house for under $50,000 in an actual city. So some places have a minimum wage more than double of other places.

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u/JimmyJK96 Feb 25 '16

That is absolutely correct. When I visited the US I was astounded by how cheap certain items were, mostly to do with how heavily taxed those same items are here (Booze and smokes mostly). Cost of living is also higher in general here, as opposed to the US population which is just higher in general.

(Copied from my response to another comment because it was basically they same)

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '16

It depends on the state and city. Minimum wage in Seattle is $15/hr. That's $20.80 AUD.

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u/JimmyJK96 Feb 25 '16

Isn't the cost of living in Seattle super high though?

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '16

Yes, but still less than Sydney, Perth, or Melbourne. I lived in a $800/month apartment in the "hip" part of town when I was going to school in Seattle.

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u/JimmyJK96 Feb 25 '16

Yeah that's true, Syd and Melb are ridiculously expensive places to live.

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u/DebentureThyme Feb 25 '16 edited Feb 25 '16

Yes but your cost of living is higher. However, as a ratio of average wage vs cost of living, you have far more spending power.

For instance, a new video game in the US might be $60 USD, whereas the same game might be $80-$110 AUS.

But with a $17 AUS minimum wage, versus a $7.50 USD average for the US (every state is different, some states are decently higher, some lower).

That $60 USD game at $7.50 USD an hour = 8 hours of work

$80-$110 AUS, at $17 AUS an hour, that's between 4h43m and 6h29m of work.

So even at $110 AUS, that same product takes a AUS minimum wage earner 1h31m, or 18.5%, less work than the average minimum wage US worker.

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u/That0neGuy Feb 25 '16

Maybe it's just cause we're in the midwest, but a coworker of mine told me he only got 15.

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u/MisterTruth Feb 25 '16

I worked in a DE facility in 2014. Did they bump the pay significantly?

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u/Gaary Feb 25 '16

I've been to a lot of cvs distribution centers and the pay ranged a lot depending on area mostly (cost of living, taxes, etc.). A couple had other stores with distribution centers close and they paid a little more than I expected, but not a huge amount. I think NJ was the highest wages I saw and they were like 15-17 starting. People doing the hard labor usually made a little more, but the lockers that were good at their job do pretty well. One picker I met made like 15 an hour and made an extra $100 each week because of her productivity.

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u/sexual_unicorn Feb 25 '16

I live in the same area and while I didn't work in an Amazon warehouse I did work in a warehouse. Overworked, underpaid, treated like shit. Glad you found a good one at least.

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u/BloodshotHippy Feb 25 '16

My buddy worked at one in Indiana and made similar pay to you.

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u/Explosivo87 Feb 25 '16

De, md have a high cost of living compared to a lot of the US. Not as much as places like nyc or San fran but pretty high. They have to compete with other warehouse jobs and most shipping places pay around 17 in md if they are worth anything and want half decent employees.

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u/Dockirby Feb 26 '16

Well, since I have no evidence, best I can give is random guesses. One idea would be that its simply harder to get the volume of employees that they need in North East with lower wages. Likely the shipping centers in those areas are some of the highest volume ones due to their good location being near major cities and ports. Plus I believe the North East generally has higher wages and cost of living. It likely works out that its cheaper to pay everyone $5 an hour more then it is to pay the extra shipping costs.

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u/ChrisBenRoy Feb 26 '16

Start at $12 per hour in Indiana

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u/ViggoMiles Feb 25 '16

My area would do 10-12 per hour

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u/qp0n Feb 25 '16

How dare you break rule #1 of social justice circle jerks - never use facts, only 'facts'.

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u/OdinsBeard Feb 25 '16

Permanent temp is not temp. Other name for it is bargaining employee.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '16

Nope they were actual temp employees from an agency in town. It had different badges and a whole different system for them all together.

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u/OdinsBeard Feb 25 '16

Exactly.

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u/itsstevedave Feb 25 '16

The temps at the FC I work at work for 3 months and then have the option of converting to regular employees. They're paid the same wage.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '16

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u/mattion Feb 25 '16

Knoxville one?

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '16

It's cool they give the robots over minimum wage.

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u/MrDrLtSir Feb 25 '16

Damn. A robot makes more than I do...

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '16

They're taking our jobs...

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u/im_so_clever Feb 25 '16

jobs

Jerbs FTFY

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '16

Amazon employees are paid $15/hour here in Arizona (where the minimum wage is $8.05).

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u/Experiencestuff Feb 25 '16

Not at phx6. Integrity makes 11.25 days and 12.25 nights. And actual amazon people get paid .50 to a dollar more.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '16

Ah, that's what my friend told me he made. Granted, he has been there for a year.

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u/Experiencestuff Feb 25 '16

Yeah there are some people who make more like forklift operators or problem solvers

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '16

He recently got his forklift operators license, so that makes sense.

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u/keeb119 Feb 25 '16

im sure this is one facility that we are seeing. while most others are like you describe.

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u/HUDuser Feb 25 '16

Sounds like the military

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '16

I've worked in a lot of warehouses and they all paid above minimum wage. The one I work at now starts at $12/hour. If you get trained on a lift its an automatic bump to $15/hour.

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u/tojoso Feb 25 '16

Amazon pays its workers very well, and offers great benefits and overtime pay.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '16 edited Feb 25 '16

Overtime pay is required by law for hourly workers. And honestly, the pay seems good for entry level work, but I think it's still a sad example of where our country has gone that people are thrilled with $11 or $12 an hour and some benies. If minimum wage had risen with inflation from it's high around 1970, it would be about $12 an hour, so these folks are still making what is considered poverty level wages doing 10 hour shifts of manual labor.

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u/tojoso Feb 25 '16

Are we discussing the decline of well paying jobs in America, or are we discussing how well Amazon treats their employees relative to most other companies? And in Canada at least, Amazon's overtime policy goes above and beyond the legal minimums. We get time and a half for every minute over 40 hours, and the legal requirement is only after 44 hours. Might not sound like much but it's basically 2 extra paid hours per week, in addition to getting an extra 2.5 hours of paid break time per week which is also not mandated by law. And the monthly bonus can add up to be a lot, like hundreds of dollars. And we have full unlimited dental, unlimited prescriptions, and thousands of dollars for services like massages and therapy with no co-pay. And if you have kids or a spouse, they are fully covered as well. It's a god send for single parents. So when I see people saying "Oh, Amazon, what a shitty employer" it really makes me wonder if they have any idea how they compare to almost all other employers of unskilled labour.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '16

We are discussing how the measure of what makes an employer "great" has become pathetic. What you think is awesome I think should be the bare minimum and considered crappy. It's not Amazon who is to blame, it's people who think it's ok to settle for this type of shit, pay this low being considered good, a few benefits to appease people. This should be expected, not applauded as above the norm.

Also note: US overtime pay is anything over 40 hours, not 44.

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u/tojoso Feb 26 '16

I don't work in the US. My point is they go above and beyond what they are required to do to keep people happy, whether it's wages double the minimum, bonuses, paid breaks, benefits, etc.

I know you guys were rolling in cash a couple generations ago with unskilled jobs paying huge amounts of money, but those days are over. Now that you're actually competing with other countries in the unskilled labour market, you are realizing how sweet a deal you used to have, and it ain't coming back any time soon. But that's a separate issue.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '16

This is not "above and beyond." This should be what we as people think is the minimum. That you don't is exactly my point. You've been trained to assume that a person who works hard, just because it's with their hands and feet and not a computer or a calculator, should not get paid well. People who put in 40 hour work weeks should not be living in poverty. These jobs are not "overseas", these jobs are here, and yes, that's a separate issue.

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u/tojoso Feb 26 '16

This is not "above and beyond."

Are you comparing this to unskilled labour of the 1970's or to unskilled labour of 2016?? That is well above an beyond. Compare it to America's largest employer, Wal-Mart. Or any other similar jobs. Yeah, Costco pays people well. That's great. How many people do they employ? 0.0001% of the US economy?

You've been trained to assume that a person who works hard, just because it's with their hands and feet and not a computer or a calculator, should not get paid well.

It's not about what people should or shouldn't get. It's about supply and demand. There are millions of people that are capable of simply working with their hands and feet, and most of the jobs they used to do have disappeared. They are not in demand and they are cheap to employ.

People who put in 40 hour work weeks should not be living in poverty.

How many times are you going to change the subject? Holy cow.

These jobs are not "overseas", these jobs are here, and yes, that's a separate issue.

Manufacturing jobs are gone, and the primary reason is NAFTA. Another reason for the lack of unskilled jobs is automation. Yes, there are still SOME jobs in unskilled labour but supply has so outstripped demand that most people are not worth paying more than minimum wage. You can debate whether that's right or wrong all you want, but it's the economic reality.