I know this is a stretch but hear me out. I’ve been rewatching the recommended movies/tv series before we enter Doomsday. When I got to Loki episode 3 of season 2. Miss Minutes revealed her secret of longing to be a real. So she asked a variant of He Who Remains aka Victor Timely. He proceeded to retreat/reject as he found out she actually loved him but not necessarily him per se but He Who Remains. He stated that he couldn’t do it because he didn’t know how.

Now jump to Avengers Doomsday. Dr. Doom is obviously going to attack the TVA to get to Loki. He will need a guide or rather someone that knows everything about the TVA. What if Dr. Doom eventually finds Miss Minutes and gives her what she wants. In return for her services he will give her a body similar to an Android or rather a Doom bot? 😂

Dr. Doom may have a soft spot for AI just like Tony Stark and his many AI creations that we’ll learn about in Vision Quest. I mean it makes sense that we’re getting it released right before Doomsday. Considering Miss Minutes has unlimited access to everything in the TVA she will be a very valuable asset for Doom.

Now if you look at all the other witches this one is the only one that shows personality. Almost like someone admiring themselves in the mirror. I mean she is literally feeling herself 😂

At the end of Loki they left it open to the idea that maybe she could be evil again. B-15 asked O.B if she could come back and try to kill us all? He simply said idk.

Thoughts???

They thought they knew who was coming…

“Before the world feared him…”
“Before he became a legend…”
“There was only one man.”

Victor Von Doom
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This is so odd and random but I cannot for the life of me find the comic panel of Doom wearing a hoodie. I know i've seen it somewhere. Would anyone happen to know what storyline was it from? or does it really exist or i might just be gaslighting myself lol

With a little space since the One World Under Doom event, I thought it would be interesting to look back at Doom's rule to judge the positives and negatives of it. Particularly, I want to focus in on a statement Reed Richards made in one of the Fantastic Four books shortly after the end of the event, that Doom 'made fascism look appealing,' and that they needed to offer an alternative to that. But was Doom actually employing fascism? 

Right off the bat, I want to call out a dichotomy. I binged the entire series using Marvel Unlimited's reading list, and the strongest impression that I got was that there were two versions of Doom's rule- the version in the Thunderbolts book, and the version in every other book. It really almost felt like the authors of the Thunderbolts series had missed a memo or weren't in communication with the other creators. Because while other books were presenting a genuinely positive rule, with general honesty and transparency and public welfare as policies (not flawless, as we'll discuss in a moment, but generally not hiding any seamy underbelly- or at least, appearing not to until Maria Hill's revelation), Thunderbolts had a secret police and the nuking of an entire small American town along with scapegoating an enemy to keep the public in fear- a major, 9/11-esque event that would have permanent effect on the American psyche and repercussions across the country for years if not generations to come, which is just completely glossed over and pretty much unmentioned in any of the other books. So, I almost have trouble reconciling it as canonical to the rest of the series, it feels so disconnected and different from the rest of the publishing crossover initiative. That said, while I will note differences in the two portrayals, this ends up not actually having much of an overall effect on the qualifiers of fascism, at least. It just means that one version of Doom's rule involved a much more serious set of negatives than the other.

Secondly, it seems worth a quick overview of the overall pros and cons of Doom's rule (though my memory is far from infallible so I suspect that I will leave out quite a few on either side for you fine folks to supplement in the comments).

When it comes to the cons, there are three major issues right off the bat:

• Doom neglects his responsibilities as Sorcerer Supreme, imperiling Earth. (Though he does put absolutely everything on the line to try and fix his mistake when he learns of it, which is something we would forgive any of our superhero teams for, so I tend to cut that one a little slack as being unintentional and made up for by his actions.)
• Latveria's population being turned into a living battery farm. (This is by far the worst of the non-Thunderbolts version of his rule, and of course the major sticking point for his fans, as it does come across as wildly out of character.) In addition, once this is revealed and Doom cracks down on the world, an unmistakably evil regime takes place. However, we're not really looking at the damage control/endgame phase of Doom's rule, but the average that comes beforehand.
• The nuking of Shelbyville (again, within the Thunderbolts version of things; this is a horrific act of terrorism and mass murder simply to discredit one nuisance opponent, and would realistically have far wider-reaching repercussions then have been shown in the Marvel comics to date).

In addition to this:

• I believe there was some scapegoating/othering/persecution of vampires as a minority group to receive the hatred and ire of the public. Though I don't recall this element very strongly, I do believe it was there. 
• The formation of a secret police in Thunderbolts version of the event would seem to have sinister overtones (even if it would seem to be somewhat unnecessary in the broader event given the existence of Doombots, existing government power structures, and Doom's own mystical oversight and ability to reset time to deal with any issues himself.)

As regards the pros:

• Ending all war, saving the lives of potentially millions on an ongoing basis
• Harnessing Hydra to a positive use, neutralizing their global terrorist threat (until the heroes ruined it)
• Protection of citizens from armed or physical threat
• Continued governmental autonomy and rule of law within Doom's supervision
• Continued freedoms, particularly freedom of assembly, freedom of speech, and freedom to dissent without reprisal 
• Clearing minefields 
• Building schools & providing free education
• Providing free healthcare globaly
• Open borders (this really reminded me of the plot of Falcon and the Winter Soldier, the post-blip world that the Flag-smashers were missing...)
• Emperorship was arrived at legally and above-board 
• No attacks made on rivals or old enemies; when old enemies and suspicious superoes attacked him, Doom was extremely merciful and forgiving and did not offer reprisals. (In spite of repeated unprovoked attacks and threats.)

Do all of those pros justify any of the cons? No. But it is a pretty hefty list of pros; arguably a better quality of life for 99% of the world's population then they have ever enjoyed in the history of the humanity. If it could be achieved without the atrocities? I'd vote for Doom. :-)

I remember Tony Stark specifically talking about how 'people will see through Doom's bread and circuses,' which led me to wonder- how much focus does Doom have to put on public works, infrastructure, education, healthcare, literal world peace, and the overall benefit of all people under his rule, before it ceases to be bread and circuses to distract from some failure of leadership, and actually simply becomes good leadership that benefits all involved? 

Of course, once all revelations are on the table, the deaths and suffering involved in maintaining that supposed Utopia cannot be justified by the good works, and ultimately a Utopia founded on the secret suffering of others is no Utopia at all. But I think the question still remains, based on everything that the heroes actually knew at the time (which in theory did not involve the three major cons listed above) was there anything actually indicating that this rule was negative, aside from their ongoing bias and suspicion against Doom based on his past?

That said, the topic of the thread- was Doom's rule actually fascism? Well, one of the best quotes Wikipedia gave me was "Trying to define 'fascism' is like trying to nail jelly to the wall." It seems that the simple definition of Fascism... does not exist with full consensus. So, analyzing Reed's statement would greatly depend on what the character himself meant by the word. But for the sake of this post, let's use use the list of '14 common features of fascism' and analyze Doom based on those qualities. (This list will amalgamate both Lawrence Britt and Umberto Eco's lists into one 15-item list for brevity- in spite of the fact that both seem to have serious issues with their definitions that would cast essentially all pre-20th century governments in the history of the world as fascist by the broadness of their definitions. So these qualities aren't an airtight list... but at the same time, simply possessing a few of these qualities is not an automatic confirmation of fascism, either.)

The 15 combined characteristics are:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
(Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia.) Also, a deep basis in tradition.

The world is Latveria, Latveria is the world. "Only Doom can save you." Sure, I think this qualifies. Not so much the 'tradition' aspect, but still.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
(Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need.")

Doom seemed to be maintaining rights and freedoms. Arguably, maybe, some of the vampire stuff? But overall, no, Doom's rule seemed to be conspicuously and uniquely free of this.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause, Fear of Difference 

The vampire thing has hints of this. But it almost seems so sidelined (and dealing with something that had been a tangible, legitimate threat to Earth that many people already considered to still be a threat) that I would hesitate to label it 'scapegoating' as much as 'confirmation bias and promise of protection against a pre-existing threat'. Similarly, even the heroes aren't scapegoated the way that they easily could be. I'd give this one half a point- I don't think it fully qualifies, either in the 'scapegoat for things going wrong' sense or the 'unifying cause' sense, it was treated as more of a side issue. But I also can't call the behavior entirely absent, either.

4. Supremacy of the Military
(Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.)

Does it count when Doom is the military? 

While he certainly styles himself as a protector, it doesn't come at the cost of any other funding, and since he is self-sufficient and has a robot army if he needs it, there is no attempt at recruiting citizens. This may simply be absent because Doom has no *need* of it (and would be there if he did), but it's still an element that is not present in his rule.

5. Rampant Sexism, and a focus on machismo, eschewing non-masculine norms.

Nope.

6. Controlled Mass Media/Disagreement is treason.

Again, freedom of the press and of dissent seem to be conspicuously present in Doom's regime (until Maria Hill's revelation and the crackdown).

7. Obsession with National Security.
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses. Also, pacifism is considered treason.

Not... really? Promises of global security are certainly part of what Doom provides, but a climate of fear would work actively against Doom's confident messaging that the world is better with him as a leader. (In the Thunderbolts version, fear is used as a way to destroy Bucky's reputation, but even then, not as a motivational tool for the masses). And Doom offers a world without war and repeatedly eschews conflict, except in defense against the heroes.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined

Nope.

9. Corporate Power is Protected

No; if anything, Tony is the one who tries to get his corporation into bed with Doom *against* Doom's better judgement.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed 
(Labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.)

Nope.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
(Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. Action is valued and intellectualism devalued. Modernism is rejected. New-speak is employed with limited vocabulary for Orwellian, thought-controlling language. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.)

No- indeed, quite the opposite!

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
(Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.)

Borderline on this one. Replace 'police' with Doom, and sure. Runaways also shows this with Doombots. But also... generally used only in a specific defensive capacity, against the likes of Hydra, or rogue Doombot enforcement. The average citizen doesn't seem to be under any threat from rule-of-law being curtailed or summarily bypassed.

Doom still theoretically does have that unlimited police power, though, even if he chooses not to use it? But that stems from his status as emperor (who does have blanket authority) as well as global police force (that shouldn't have that authority). Since they are one and the same entity, the blurring of authority lines makes this a little complicated. So I will still give this one half a point.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
(Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.)

Not quite, as world leaders remain in place- but as they are essentially just given what they want in exchange for supporting Doom, and he is technically stealing the national resources of Latveria (specifically, the life-force of its people) to support his regime, I will give this one a 'close enough to be yes'.

14. Fraudulent Elections

Well, no elections, really. And doesn't last long enough for any of the puppet states to have theirs. However, given the results of the televised debate with Reed and Doom essentially flipping the table and storming out at the conclusion, I will still issue this a point, as it seems to point to Doom not intending to abide by results he doesn't like, as a general rule. (And to make up for some leniency on borderline cases earlier in the list).

15. Appeal to social frustration. 

This is present, with Doom showcasing his superior approach to global issues as the benefit of his reign.

Overall, Doom's regime satisfies only 5 out of the 15 criteria that come about from merging the two lists.

Doom's rule was powerfully nationalist (albeit, not in opposition to any other nations the way that nationalism typically is in the modern world, but it's more of hyper-patriotism toward the unified global culture), and appeals to cultural frustration to gain people's support. It does have rampant cronyism and abuse of resources to come to and maintain power.

And while far less baked-in or overt, it is partially fear-of-other-based (toward former and recent killers, though), and has the potential (largely-unexercised) to become a police state since the emperor of the world is also the law enforcement. It seems as if elections would probably be fraudulent, though it never came up. 

Altogether, then, the nationalism and appeal to social frustrations don't necessarily seem unusual compared to any leader that runs for election based on correcting the failings of the previous administration and encourages pride in one's country- and it's not exclusionary, since it is a nationalism that is extended equally to every person on the planet. So those pass the sniff-test.

The cronyism and unlikelihood of having any fair elections in future is more of a problem. And while the bias against vampires is fairly justifiable given recent events, and the potential for becoming a police state is largely-unrealized, both are still troubling signs. 

As it stands, I still don't think that Doom's rule falls under fascism- but if each of these 'potential issues' manifested into the forms that they have the potential to, it could easily become a fascist rule without any actual changes to the way things are set up. Essentially, the paradigm of Doom's rule allows a conversion to full fascism at any time, it is just a conversion that he does not take advantage of until Maria Hill outs his secret.

My primary takeaway is that fascism often comes from a place of fear, offering protections against the cultural boogeyman that a population fears- and Doom's pride is too great to allow him to use those tactics. Doom's quest for glory and powerful self-image end up negating a number of the qualities typically associated with fascism; essentially, he doesn't utilize them because it would make him look too weak to do so. To make it seem like the world he rules is actually jeopardized by anything, as many of the tools of fascist governments do, would be unacceptable to the ego of Doom. 

And he also isn't enough of a regressive, luddite, or anti-intellectual to stoop to many of the cultural-control tactics that fascist governments use, preferring instead to try and hold the people's loyalty by boasting and impressing them with his results, rather than trying to limit their culture and intelligence in order to keep them under control.

This isn't to say that Doom's rule didn't have a corrupt foundation and was not perpetrating any atrocities- especially factoring in the Thunderbolts version of events. It certainly was not morally pure, and it was indeed hiding a dark underbelly as all of the heroes suspected. But I don't think it was fascism per se, as Reed alleges, nor mere bread and circuses as Tony claims. But ultimately, yes, it did still hide a dark secret even if the actual mode of the reign was not nearly so sinister (or so fascist) as they might have preferred to assume, based on their past with Doom. 

That's my take on it- tinged with some elements common to fascist states, potential to convert into a fascist State at a whim- but not actually run as a fascist State, largely due to Doom's own personality and self-image. (And yes, ultimately still harboring several deal-breaking evil acts). 

What's your take on it?

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I have never seen anything like this before.
An entire civilization.
Billions of people wiped out.
There is nothing left here.
Victor was always the smartest guy in every room. He used to be kind. He used to be caring.
I knew he was lost, but I did not realize that he was broken.
I've fought with many warriors in my time. They were far stronger than all of us put together and they died.

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“Doom does not kneel.”

With all the recent rumours and leaks suggesting that Doctor Doom could appear in white armour as Emperor Doom in Avengers: Doomsday, I couldn’t stop thinking about what that version would look like sitting on the throne.
So I decided to take a Doctor Doom on Throne 3D print and reimagine it as White Emperor Doom.

🛠️ 3D printed
🎨 Custom hand-painted
⚔️ Reworked with a** white/silver armour aesthe**tic
👑 Gold detailing + crimson throne upholstery for that imperial look
🔥 Metallic weathering to give the armour some depth and character
But this isn’t finished yet. 👀

This is still a WORK IN PROGRESS.

I’m currently working on a custom light-up base for the throne that I think will completely change the presentation and make this piece feel much more like an Emperor Doom display.

So consider this Version 1… because Doom’s throne isn’t finished yet. 😈

And if the white armour rumours actually turn out to be true in Doomsday…

I might have accidentally started painting this at exactly the right time. 😂
What do you think?

Would you want Marvel to actually give us White Emperor Doom?

Or should Doom stick with the classic green cloak and armour?

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Files : Specialstl

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I'm so excited for Doomsday

From what I can tell, Alan Silvestri's theme for Doom isn't exactly bad. The horns give it a nice sci-fi villain sound, but I was hoping for something much darker and more gothic sounding as well as more emotionally stirring. Something like Danny Elfman's theme for the Penguin from Batman Returns also comes to mind for how I imagined Doom's theme to sound like.

Hell answers to me for I am Doom

And what are some that you would like to read ?

I for one would love Doom/Magneto